Fruit or Fat? + The problem with quinoa, black beans, brown rice?

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Permalink Reply by Pink Lady Apple on May 16, 2008 at 3:33pm

not at all. They are a fat, a natural fat. Much better than adding oils to salads.

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Permalink Reply by RawZi on July 25, 2008 at 1:05am

Hi Pink,

I assume you're only talking about the dried olives, right? Have you tried the fresh unripe green ones in recipes yet?

Jon,

So then to get enough calories in your diet you basically have to resort to cooked. In other words, it seems like you either choose to be a strict 811er or if not, you should probably do low fat cooked meals (quinoa, brown rice, etc.) rather than high fat raw meals (that's pretty much what Graham says in the book).

Does Dr Graham recommend cooked food in some instances over raw?

Also, how are you doing?

RawZi

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Permalink Reply by Jon Bischke on May 16, 2008 at 3:15pm

@buddhababy - That sounds good but here's my concern. If there's a negative impact on my brain I'm not going to "feel" that within 30 days. Just the same as people who've loaded up on transfatty acids and basically destroyed their brains don't feel it. I get the part about feeling more clear-headed on raw. That makes sense to me. However, I don't think feeling clear-headed is synonymous with optimal nutrition for your brain and body.

@SUVINE - Do you mean all fruit or fruit + greens? It seems like most people (e.g., Graham, Butenko) are advising at least a portion of greens mixed with fruit for optimal nutrition.

@PinkLady - I don't know if I have candida or not. I might but in general have pretty good health so I doubt it (or if I do it's pretty mild). My concern is that I've read many place how upping fruit intake can lead to candida. Now I'll buy that candida might be more a fat thing and that reducing fat makes sense but I guess the question is "Why not 70/20/10?" or 60/30/10? At what point does fat consumption drop to some magical level where candida is not a concern? Graham suggests 10% but I don't see any scientific backing for why 10% is better than 15% or 8%. Is 811 just a cute way of rounding numbers and/or a simplification to make it easier for people?

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Permalink Reply by Pink Lady Apple on May 16, 2008 at 3:30pm

Bingo!!! It is easier to teach people that way isn't it...

If 70/20/10 or whatever combination works for you, then do it.

I guess you never specified what level of fats you thought would be healthy for your brains concerns. What does your research say? Are you putting too much emphasis on that because of your family history? Also, another consideration is...the people who have developed these brain issues, were they eating as healthily as you are? Did their diets have something to do with it or could it have been environmental. Remember there are so many factors in there.

sounds to me that you need to do some experimenting with your diet and do a bit more investigating for yourself. If you feel that eating some cooked grains is going to benefit you then why shouldn't you? What is bad about that? The way I look at it, if eating the cooked grains is going to give you peace of mind, you are probably better off. The stress of not knowing whether or not you are hurting yourself by going all raw isn't healthy either. It shouldn't cause you more harm. It should be something you know is good for you and when you eat it you feel good about eating it.

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Permalink Reply by Pink Lady Apple on May 16, 2008 at 3:52pm

That's interesting about the skin condition buddhababy. Our bodies do tell us right away if we pay attention.
I do have a question about the hemp oil. I have some and every time I think of using it is when I am making a smoothie, but from what I understand, adding the fat into the smoothie would slow down the digestion of the fruits. If that is true, how do you use your hemp oil. Do you use it on salads or take it straight up?

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Permalink Reply by Pink Lady Apple on May 16, 2008 at 3:57pm

That was the other thing. Are hemp seeds best with greens only, like on salads? That was my thought. From all that I've read on fats and fruits I'm thinking it is best to keep the oils and fruits separate and only add things like avocados to fruit smoothies or soups.

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Permalink Reply by Pink Lady Apple on May 16, 2008 at 8:01pm

Back to that darn bowel function :)

I use avocados in some of my soup recipes. Since we had that discussion about the level of fats in the diet relating to the body fat percentage I have been trying to cut them out, for the short term. I'm just not willing to let go of them for the long-term, too delish :) I don't seem to have a problem with them. I grew up with lots of guacamole and salsas.

I'll try sprinkling some hemp seeds on my salads. I wonder how long those hemp seeds last in the fridge, mmmmm...

Cute picture by the way :)

Permalink Reply by Bryonna on May 16, 2008 at 7:28pm

What sort of skin condition did you get? I'm asking because on my chest my skin looks dry and flaky yet it is very soft, not dry feeling at all. It goes through stages of being really flakly, like after you get sunburned to being not very noticable. I haven't figured out what its from and its been like that for over a year....wondering if it could be that i'm not getting enough EFA's.

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Permalink Reply by RawZi on July 25, 2008 at 3:38am

by kayell 11 hours ago
.... You probably won't destroy your brain in 30 days unless you do the raw opium diet or something.

The Raw Opium diet may depress your breathing to death, but it's actually not neurotoxic, so if you're worried about your brain, eat away!

Homeopathy - Opium
Raw Poppy Flowers
Poppies, Raw Opium

Disclaimer: This is just a joke in poor taste

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Permalink Reply by Jon Bischke on May 16, 2008 at 8:04pm

@Pink Lady - According to Graham, olives should be avoided. The reason for this is olives in the raw aren't actually edible (http://www.practicallyedible.com/edible.nsf/pages/rawolives). Plus, they're high in fat. I'm not saying I agree with him...just saying what he says. :)

Also, in terms of family history they certainly weren't eating nearly as healthy as I do. But I still err on the side of caution here. Every member of my family on one side has a history of depression, I have an uncle that committed suicide, etc. So I don't really want to mess around here. I'd gladly take a diet that optimized for the brain and sub-optimal in other areas over a diet that's sub-optimal for the brain.

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Permalink Reply by Pink Lady Apple on May 16, 2008 at 8:30pm

It's hard when you have a history of depression in the family. My husband's history is alzheimer's and it sort of hangs over your head all the time. So, I completely understand how you would want more clarification on that.

I was on depression medication when I went raw and that is one of five prescriptions that I weaned myself off of. I have found that if I don't stick to a high raw diet and I go back to the SAD that I do get a little more depressed and emotional (more than I usually am :) Any correlation, who knows. I just got tired of taking the medications, they weren't good for me. I don't have any major depressive episodes if I stick high raw.

As for the olives, that is hilarious. The reason being...I got the idea of the tomatoes and olives dressing from his audio tapes. He did a series of talks at a Natural Hygiene conference in the late 80s, because that is his background before all the 80-10-10 stuff. On one of the tapes he does a demo of food prep and he states that is one of his favorite dressings. It is the "Cause of Health" tapes that he still sells on his site, now in DVD. I have cassette version, maybe he'll edit that out :)

As I said, we all do what is right for us. I love olives and I still eat them because they make me happy :) So, you see, I don't follow anyone else's method of eating, I follow my own.

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Permalink Reply by Jon Bischke on May 16, 2008 at 8:46pm

Good stuff. I'd definitely credit diet as a big part of why I'm one of the few people in my family who isn't taking antidepressants.

And yeah, I'd have a hard time sticking to a diet that considered olives unhealthy. While they might not be kale they sure as hell ain't a fast food burger. :)

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