Anastasia on Sex

Hi lovely Rawies!! Namaste :)

I know lots of you have read or are reading the Anastasia series by Vladimir Megre. I have the Raw community to thank for showing me those wonderful spiritual texts.

I was wondering what you think about Anastasia's views regarding "sex" .. it seems to me she teaches that sex should only be for procreation, and that the act itself is sacred and nothing like what we experience today. In fact, the word "sex" itself cannot describe what she talks about (co-creation of a child).

The reason I ask is, we obviously live in a world where sex is at the forefront of relationships for a lot of people. I have always believed in sex for procreation (which developed from no sex outside of marriage belief- not a religion based decision, just a kind of "gut feeling" for me) and have read a lot of spiritual texts which I sometimes agree with and sometimes disagree with.. it seems most religions or spiritual followings have their own variations on similar ideas. I don't believe in the whole sex is sinful or "bad" etc idea though, I think it is a natural part of human existence, but it has warped into something else in this modern age.

However, naturally this makes it hard to have committed romantic relationships because most males do not believe in sex for only procreation, and even if they do on a theoretical level, would find it hard to practise. Unless they are fundamentalists of some sort and well.. I don't think I'd have anything in common with them!

Any comments or suggestions? I would love to know what you guys think about sex, procreation, relationships... and whether you agree or disagree with Anastasia's teachings. I would provide a quote but I don't have the books with me right now!

Thanks guys :)
xo Peace, Light and Love

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Permalink Reply by rawgoddessgirl on July 11, 2008 at 9:03pm: yes i know, anastasia's views on sex are something i've been thinking about a lot lately. i just finished book 8.2 several days ago. since i discovered the series this spring, my inner life has undergone significant shifts. at first i was turned off by anastasia seeming to say that sex should be reserved solely for procreation. it felt fundamentalist christian and restrictive of the tantric kundalini life energy.

upon reflection however, i recalled the days when i used to do a lot of ecstasy (MDMA), and how in the beginning we'd always try to have sex on E, and it would pale in comparison to the all-encompassing rest of our experience--when we even succeeded in doing it at all, that is! mostly you don't. and the reason you don't, or can't, have much sex/orgasms on E is because when you are in a state of ecstasy of consciousness, the act of sex is a narrowing of the much greater state of ecstasy that you are already in--you are already basically having a full-body orgasm on ALL levels of your being, why would you want to limit that feeling to a specific part of your body, or specific plane (the physical) of being? to experience orgasm in the mainstream (by this i mean non-tantric) fashion, one is required to narrow one's focus to the physical genital region, and then to constrict that region. everything falls away but the clitoris and the penis. on MDMA, that becomes not only inconceivable and confusing, but undesirable!

i think there comes a point along the path of awareness--though i haven't reached it in a stable way yet myself--where you ARE in a state of ecstasy of consciousness all of the time (or at least most of the time) and then sex/orgasm becomes secondary. when the entire Uni-verse and all dimensions of consciousness are your blissful playground--when you are pretty much engaging in sex with the entire UNIVERSE--engaging in an activity that narrows the focus of awareness to one bump and 6 inches of flesh must seem absurd. i think this would be impossible for me to understand, had i not experienced this state on MDMA. now, ten years of meditation and yoga and healing work later, i do experience sober ecstatic states, and this has considerably curtailed my chemical intake. my goal is to experience this state ALL the time, not just 4-6 hours of chemical-driven time--and not just 10 seconds of orgasm time either, come to think of it!

anastasia seems to me like a being who has most definitely achieved a state of ecstasy of consciousness, to whom sex as it is practiced in the mainstream must seem like a boring waste of time. why have a 10-second orgasm when you live your entire life in a state of orgasmic existence?

so her views on sex are quite understandable now to me. even though i do think that seeing as how most humans haven't yet achieved her level of awareness, they aren't very realistic for current mainstream practice. my boyfriend was also turned off by her views on sexuality (particularly since he was raised communist and he associated them with repressive christian rules, as did i!) and he would never be able to refrain from sex except for the purpose of procreation. and honestly, neither could i. but this is because for us--not living in a state of neverending ecstasy of consciousness (YET!)--sex is a step UP from our default setting, rather than a step down, as it certainly must be to a being who has already achieved ecstasy of consciousness.

i personally don't foresee myself giving up sex or orgasms anytime soon. i can say though, that at any given moment, were i given the choice between sexual orgasm, and ecstasy of consciousness, i would choose ecstasy every time. nothing, NOTHING, is better than ecstasy of consciousness.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by rawgoddessgirl on July 11, 2008 at 9:35pm: yes, two totally different things... the first time i (consider that i) truly experienced sex, i was in a daze for days, stunned at the depths, at the intricacies, at the repercussions, the subtleties, of something that i had previously treated so casually.

i'd guess that the sex anastasia and vladimir had to have their children falls into the "blissful mind expanding full conscious sex" category.

there should be different words for such a variety of different experiences of what we group together under the category of "sex". like the way eskimos have 27 different words for "snow" (or maybe it's 28? well it's a lot more than the one word the rest of us use for snow, anyway); ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by miin chan on July 16, 2008 at 7:31pm: Hi Babe!
Thanks for your wonderful comments, I never thought about it in this way. I would never take the chemical route but I can understand what you are saying about it being a whole "Being" experience rather than purely physical. I think though, for most people, it is pretty hard to obtain that cosmic orgasm, even on a temporary level, because we have so much other stuff caught up with sex (emotion, expectation, cultural norms etc).

I also don't happen to think that just because Christianity taught something that it is completely wrong- I think in the case of sex, it just got muddled up, controlled, confused, over time, but the original teaching was probably much like Anastasia's. As much as I'm anti-theism in some ways, I do think there are some valuable teachings if only we could decipher them and get rid of the layers of crap.

I too hope to one day achieve ecstasy of consciousness. How amazing that would be!
Thanks again, you're awesome!
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Permalink Reply by leighstar on July 16, 2008 at 6:57pm: I'm glad you started this thread Miin,
I've just discovered this amazing series and have begun book one. I'm wondering what would be the consideration of same sex couples if sex is limited to procreation?
Blessings,
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Permalink Reply by miin chan on July 16, 2008 at 7:28pm: Yeah I did wonder about that, even though I'm heterosexual. I've always had my own views on that but.. honestly the books don't really talk about that. I suppose you could say they are very hetero oriented actually (talk alot about male- female couples)
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