People getting sick on raw food? -Link-, we should write in to the paper ;);)...

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Permalink Reply by Holly Paige on June 21, 2008 at 8:23am

A well known raw foodist woman in the uk seriously developmentally retarded her child on a raw vegan diet. The child is now on a cooked vegetarian diet. She covered the whole story up leaving people like me to struggle in ingnorance til i met Tish Clifford.I will probably never feel like naming her because i am actually very fond of her even though she is not someone in my life. It's her desire for success that made her do this and i can only feel for her. By the way Tish Clifford, Shazzie and Kate Magic Wood are all devoted to their children's welfare and i have serious admiration for them - and of course they are all attacked, as i am.
lol

Permalink Reply by Holly Paige on June 21, 2008 at 12:13pm

the point is people are being mislead and it's that's unfair
i don't really care what you think of me
i don't want blame people, they have thier own reasons that's not the point
i just want people to understand that all is not as it seems in the raw food movement
then if they run into difficulties it will be easier for them to make sense of it and get things sorted out for themselves
and realise there are not as many successful 100%raw vegans as they may have been led to believe......
especially after people have been doing it 1, 2 or 3 years

Permalink Reply by Holly Paige on June 21, 2008 at 12:04pm

Shazzie is prioritising her child's health and taking whatever steps she needs to
she adapts to circumstances and is very honest about it
whenever she has seen she needs to change what she gives Evie she does it. I very much admire her
She is bringing out a book soon which tells their whole story so i'll leave it to her to tell - i don't really want to give a second hand version

Permalink Reply by Holly Paige on June 21, 2008 at 1:54pm

and Shazzie is feeding her child healthily whilst sticking by her principles
she chose not to deny reality and instead has worked hard to find a way of doing things that sticks to her ideals and WORKS
what a lady!
anyway i hope her book is out soon
can't wait to read it

Permalink Reply by Karl Greaves on June 21, 2008 at 12:18pm

Since when has ethics been your high point

Permalink Reply by Holly Paige on June 21, 2008 at 12:05pm

so other mothers would be aware of possible pitfalls and children could be saved from damage from the malnurtion that raw veganism often causes them
some people in the raw vegan movement cover it up and it's not fair on the children

Permalink Reply by RawZi on June 21, 2008 at 11:46am

"I did eat free range meat "

Jane, I eat raw free range that didn't eat grain. I was vegan for years, I was raw vegan quite a while, what I'm doing now is best for me right now. Was your free range cooked? Previously frozen? Smoked? Pickled? Ceviched? Dried? I'm curious. Thank you.

Permalink Reply by Karl Greaves on June 21, 2008 at 12:29pm

if it is all lies why have a lot of people responded favourably. Surely the experience you descibed about yourself has elements of yo yoing in it but that is ok. I thought there was such a thing as free speech. Maybe you would prefer a forum where only your opinions were expressed and everybody listened to your stuck and outdated ideas. Sounds like the system we have at the moment. By the way how am I using Holly. I have my own thing. You seem to need support more than I do.

Permalink Reply by suse on June 22, 2008 at 11:56am

and why not- they are posting from different locations i.e. their individual consciousness. This is a forum- not a military outpost where people's inherent right to express how they feel should be policed by anyone- although a lot of what has been laid out bare here between you and Holly might more appropriately belong between you as it seems to be full of painfully diverse interpretations between you which I hope you will ultimately both heal. Sometimes, the energy of all this fractious exchange makes me think that some people will not be happy until Holly is strung from some metaphorical gallows.
If this is an expression of Vegan consciousness, then pass me the bacon- as nothing could be more vitriolic and stubborn than this. Get off your darling egos, for heaven sake- and give the wrestling a break.

Permalink Reply by Karl Greaves on June 21, 2008 at 12:35pm

It takes one to know one. There is such a thing as spiritual ego which I think you express. constantly. Emancipation I don't think so.

Permalink Reply by RawZi on June 21, 2008 at 2:51pm

What's wrong with bulls shit. the sun purifies it. let the bull eat grass now, egos deprive them of their food being raw. why such vulgar language?

Permalink Reply by el-bo on June 21, 2008 at 2:54pm

ah...there you are

i think i preferred the higher-plane costume ????

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