Fruit or Fat? + The problem with quinoa, black beans, brown rice?

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Permalink Reply by RawZi on June 13, 2008 at 12:07am

He tried everything, and every diet he could find, to gain weight, until he found the uncooked (high fat no grains no palm oil no superfood no beans no noodles no raw vegetables [except juiced] no stimulants no sprouting no ripe fruit no rice paddies) pd, and now he's buff, no bicycling necessary. Maybe forgive the pd is not vegan.

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Permalink Reply by el-bo on July 24, 2008 at 5:06pm

neither of these is a picture of health

i'm not knocking your dietary choice, rawzi...but i would never use those pics in defence/promotion/advertisement of any lifestyle

if i saw the second set of pics on their own, without any knowledge of what he was eating, i would think that both a dietary change and a LOT of cycling would be in order

you can definately see whare all that raw meat and dairy is being stored

hmmm ????

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Permalink Reply by RawZi on July 26, 2008 at 9:11am

Hi el-bo. All six pics are of the same guy. His name is Jeff. In the first three on top, he was about 78 pounds. He had never heard of the primal diet. He had heard of many other diets.

neither of these is a picture of health

He was in horrible health, weak, sickly, could barely lift his own arms, getting worse and dying. He tried and tried (but not pd) and only got worse. He had lost this weight quickly.

the second set of pics ... you can definately see whare all that raw meat and dairy is being stored

Even if he looks like he stores a little dairy or meat here and there in the second three pics, and doesn't look your ideal of what you want to look like, he didn't do drugs or things to deteriorate his health. He was very ill, and when he went primal (which does not include grains, is high fat and one of the raw diets not beans, brown rice or quinoa), he stopped getting sicker, and was able to gain weight, and didn't need to work out to gain. He wound up not only living, but strong. That's amazing considering all the medical doctors, treatments and diets previous only lead him to the door of the death of his own body. I know you're more svelt than him and have been through more than him, but how the pd helped work on him is not as poor example as you think el-bo. It took about six months of the pd to make this change in body appearance from non-pd.

Now maybe you're right, and he would have been better off bicycling instead, hmmm ???? Lets go tell him.

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Permalink Reply by el-bo on July 26, 2008 at 9:21am

i know the 6 pics are of the same guy

and yes, it's good that he's not sick anymore

but he is overweight and over-fat...this , in time , will cause him different problems....one extreme to the other

and actually i'm more overweight than he is...it has nothing to do with what i look like or even what i want to look like

it's about the fact that his body looks like it's storing fat and toxins from his diet and lack of exercise

making the change in diet has changed him, but the seconsd set of pictures can only be seen as healthy in relation to the first ...

as they stand on their own, they aren't pictures of health...he just looks like a fat guy with a tan.....

for balance's sake on that last statement , i'm a fat guy without a tan

no offence intended to either he or you...just an opinion

but just look at the 2nd pics...if you were shown those , on their own without the accompanying story...would you say that he looked healthy ???

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Permalink Reply by RawZi on July 26, 2008 at 9:28am

Hi again el-bo

if you were shown those , on their own without the accompanying story.

It does have the story with it, and the six pics are together. I don't assume someone (who I don't know well) is faking anything, as I have known truly what suffering is since a very tender age and learned way more too since then, etc.

i'm not knocking your dietary choice, rawzi

Most people that aren't professional body-builders, that choose the (raw) pd, choose it out of death's desperation, and thinking it will kill them anyway, because they've tried everything near normal and normal and medical and because modern medicine teaches us raw animal is only dangerous.

He needs a body image problem though. He should only worry that he's fat now. He should stop feeling the health he has.

By the way, on pd, once the person is well, they are recommended ways of taking off extra weight on pd. I have seen him recently. He is not fat now, and still on pd.

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Permalink Reply by el-bo on July 26, 2008 at 9:36am

yes...all well and good....

but now he maybe he needs to refine it a little...i'm not suggesting he change what he eats, but maybe how much...

and it's all very well saying that he achieved this without exercise and bodybuilding...are you now saying he doesn't need to work out to normalise and regain a more healthy body fat level ???

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Permalink Reply by RawZi on July 26, 2008 at 9:57am

I'm saying fats can help protect our bodies against and clean out toxins. I apologize for not photo documenting his whole life for you. I see he has made worthy improvent even in these tiny two sets of pics. Are you interested in meeting him? I bet you were toxic and that's why you gained weight, to protect yourself. Problem is, fat from cooked food hardens and loses it's ability of doing good. Some people are so toxic, that without fat they would die. Did you know certain cancers are marked by extremely low serum cholesterol levels?

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Permalink Reply by el-bo on July 26, 2008 at 10:09am

you don't need to provide anymore photos

i was just responding to your comments under the only photos you posted that "now he's buff, no bicycling necessary"

i just offered a different opinion 'cause he didn't look buff and looked like he hadn't been cycling....i am just going with what you presented

good that things have improved for him , now

Permalink Reply by RawZi on July 26, 2008 at 10:32am

by el-bo 22 minutes ago
you don't

This was several years ago (the pics). Things obviously improved for him then. They continue to improve. I'm not that close, but thanks. :)

The word buff I think I got from where it was previously posted. Not a perfect choice of word. In comparison, good though. I have a friend thin like the first three pics. He's been struggling for years too. Has tried raw vegan, but terribly allergic to nuts. Very sweet person. I kind of wish he'd try pd, but he's so scared of raw meat germs. Trusts that God is protecting his body from organic cooked meat germs though.

Permalink Reply by Morn on July 24, 2008 at 4:47pm

I so feel your pain because I have 10 more pounds I would like to lose and keep off and I can't seem to do it eating a high-fat raw diet. I Have been raw 1 1/2 years+ and have bounced back and forth myself on these issues and am trying to find the right balance myself. I have been 100% raw, and right now I am high raw 95%. I exercise 4-5 times a week and have lost most of my weight (90 pounds) eating a high-fat raw diet but now have hit a wall and can't seem to lose weight unless I juice fast and then after I fast, the 10 pounds come back on. I have debated about going 80-10-10 but cutting out almost all the fat is way hard for me and I am not satisfied on fruit alone. Not only that but I have read that most fruit is very acidic in the body. I have also read about the importance of fat and its role and that eating the right fat is very important in buffering and neutralizing acid to protect our bodies from disease, etc.

Have you read The PH Miracle Book by Robert Young, PH.D.? He is a microbiologist and nutritionist. I just wondered because you said you have read a ton of books. His main emphasis is eating foods that are alkalizing to the body vs. foods that cause our systems to be acidic for overall Long-term health. He advocates that at least 80% of your diet should be raw but focuses more on the issue of Balancing your Body Chemistry by eating foods that are more alkaline and does include foods like you mentioned above in his book as part of His recommended diet. However eating this way is also hard on me because he does not recommend eating a lot of fruit because of its high sugar content and what sugar does to the body.

When you figure it out let me know cause so many of the "EXPERTS" out there are in conflct with one another and it drives me crazy. Bottom line is you need to do what works for you and your body. Some people achieve ultimate health by going 100% raw and can live that way others can't. I think it all depends upon ultimately what your goals are. Best wishes to you as you pursue health and happiness for you!

So my final thought to you is if eating brown rice, quinoa, and black beans occasionally keeps you raw otherwise and at the percentages you so desire (as far as keeping down your fat goes), perhaps 100% raw is not for you.

I struggle with the 100% raw thing myself as I sometimes feel like my body needs something a bit more filling.

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Permalink Reply by Morn on July 24, 2008 at 11:11pm

Hey Suvine - I have looked at your profile and you are an extremely beautiful girl! I guess I am not totally following you on this thought. I would email you but I couldn't find your email address. Of course I am new to this site so I am still fiding my way around so maybe I missed it. Are you saying that perhaps I am not losing the weight due to the stress of it all or because I am still overeating? Anyway can you give me your email address. I would like to discuss this further. Thanks!

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Permalink Reply by Morn on July 27, 2008 at 11:28am

I just emailed you. thanks

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