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Permalink Reply by Lisha on February 27, 2008 at 12:26pm

I definitely agree with you Pete. It has the energy of needing to "fight" for a cause. The energy has been shifting so rapidly that no longer do we need to fight to get our point across anymore. We have had many great leaders die for causes and bring the strong Indigo Energy needed at that time,but now is a time to soften and let the Crystal Energy in you shine through.

WoW! I totally didn't know that about Hitler and Himler. It blew that theory right out of the water.

Everyone has their own issues to work through to heal on ALL levels for this reason it takes more than
switching to Raw to clear out the old beliefs/patterns that we've been programmed with. But it definitely
helps out tremendously for those that are also using other methods along the way.

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Permalink Reply by michael E'senczyk on February 27, 2008 at 1:17pm

hitler was not vegetarian by choice, only by doctors advise to help with his ailments. As long as this planets core meal is murdered animal there will be deforestation, polution of rivers and rape of oceans . AND most importantly global warming couse by meat grazing industry. Do we need more arguments. Those are reflections of their mind.

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Permalink Reply by suse on March 22, 2008 at 3:53pm

just an offering here- you are, of course, completely free to hold the beliefs you do, and there is no doubt that fish and meat farming has a profoundly negative impact on ecology.
at the same time, there have been countless peoples who live with respect for the land and also include hunting and killing animals and using every bit of them, as part of their way of life. Those people are neither deforesters, river polluters or ocean rapists.
To me, it is important to explore and clear all our premises as part of evolving consciousness. I say this as a person who chooses not to eat meat or fish, and as the daughter of parents who have consistently eaten both are are profoundly pacifist in their hearts and beliefs. I know you may respond, how can they be- if they elect to eat food that is the fruit of killing? My answer is they are profoundly pacifist, considerate, ungreedy and caring. My question to you is- can you imagine a world at peace without unconditional veganism- because, if you cannot, there cannot be a completely peaceful world. It lies first and foremost in our imaginings, in our acceptance of diversity, and in our focus on not looking outside ourselves to blame- but on what we do, with integrity, in our own truth, in the everyday. Acceptance of diversity is a pre-condition of peace- not insistance on homogenous obedience.

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Permalink Reply by Allison on March 22, 2008 at 11:39pm

Yes, Michael, we need more arguments!. LOL! Let's place the blame where it belongs: it's not meat eating itself that is the problem, it's the industry of meat production. There are forest-dwelling people across the globe who rely on their forests to provide them with the meat that is a regular part of their diet.

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Permalink Reply by Joy on February 28, 2008 at 9:29pm

I don't think it shoots down the theory of eating vegetables brings peace completely, in that Hitler and Himler were vegetarian, because I doubt they were raw food eaters, back then most vegetables were cooked so that fresh produce would not kill people. There are still people that think fresh produce is dangerous. Also, the wealthy people have eaten white bread for quite awhile, so just because they ate no meat, does not mean they ate healthy. Like vegetarians and vegans today, that live on Oreo's, white bread and sugar, candy, cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, coffee, etc. Not all people that call themselves veg--- , eat vegetables, as ironic as it may seem. I am not sure about this creating reality around us, it kind of sounds like a dream state or Alice through the looking glass mirror to me? Although I think it is important to create balance, and harmony, as much as possible, in our life, and to share that with the rest of the world, as much as is possible.

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Permalink Reply by Jade & Kal on February 27, 2008 at 12:25pm

Good points Michael..but even raw foodists can have poor intention with the knowledge they gain from higher intuition don't you think? You are correct though that any choice be it mind, body, or soul...has a postiive or negative result. What goes in doth come out.

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Permalink Reply by Pete Vincent on February 27, 2008 at 1:18pm

Yep I wish I could say that everyone that I have met within the raw food world was as ethical as they like to make out and as spiritual as they pretend to be.

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Permalink Reply by michael E'senczyk on February 27, 2008 at 1:22pm

I do agree that some raws are going in wrong direction, but I still have hope that we all, vegetarian or not will wake up to recognize crises on this blessed Mother-ship. I know few famous raws and can tell you that I give them zero support, becouse of their behaviour. One of them makes fortune by plegirizing, other is womanizer beyond any common sense, others are just plain hippocrites who still eat flesh or junk food. I have no intentions to slam those folks, just trying to answer your questions and opinions.

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Permalink Reply by Jade & Kal on February 27, 2008 at 1:28pm

Again good points. I was thinking that everything: manifestation, desire, passion, cause, raw food, Big Macs, war or peace, boils down to Intention. What will one do with the results they seek to manifest-Good or Evil. Many in the public eye, have gone raw to promote themselves under the belt of a new cause. For those of us who have sought to simply evolve beyond our biggest problem in life (ourselves) it is a bit of a slap in the face. Either way, so as long as we each seek to build a better planet that is all that will matter in the end. Supporting each other's own individual passions to promote, love, spiritual awareness, peace, and unity without imposing mal intention on another in the process.

This community, forum, etc. is all about having the right to respectfully display our perceptions and seek to guide others (as a model) to strive to evolve higher.

Peace.........is possible.
Jx

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Permalink Reply by michael E'senczyk on February 27, 2008 at 1:37pm

Everything in our lifes becomes a fab, including raw movements some self-proclaimed members who slap silly those who really had worked very hard to promote this lifestyle. Good post jade.............

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Permalink Reply by Jade & Kal on February 27, 2008 at 1:41pm

Thanks. I appreciate all of you here.

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Permalink Reply by Pete Vincent on February 27, 2008 at 2:04pm

Yeah I second that...some good stuff come out here

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