Zeitgeist or Esoteric Agenda

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Permalink Reply by YogaBrudder on September 30, 2009 at 9:37pm

I've seen 'em both, though I can't separate the information from each other. I like them both, Krymatica,

as well.

Saw Fabled Enemies recently: said Israel directly involved in 911 and FBI refused to intervene,

implying they insisted on allowing the bombings to take place by ignoring hard evidence. And in

so doing, gave US gov't unlimited power with its uh, war on terror (always a war on Something,

this country).

Then there's the new book by Kiyosaki, Conspiracy of the Rich.

And the 5-hour Ring of Power (youtube) ~~ in that one they promote

that Bible refers to the sun in the sky rather than just one

particular "son" of God. By the way, I don't anyone should be offended

by this. If they think it's ridiculous, than that's fair, but the world should

have ideas floating about freely, don't ya think?

If anything, God needs to be experienced, no? .....Ah, but how? (The plot thickens!!)

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Permalink Reply by Angus on September 30, 2009 at 10:59pm

EVERYTHING IS OK MONTAGE - REALLY FUNNY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAQrsA3m8Bg


Freedom of speech yo - and we should be asking questions about 9/11 or assassinations or true motives for war?

Dialectical thinking - to discuss everything in full - not to be afraid of being wrong - ask questions, feel free.

All our laws need is a value system. Most of the population has good values. However many are wrapped in relieving themselves of tension and buying monetary possessions. When in fact we all need good purposes and to stick to our intrinsic values.

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Permalink Reply by Mera Magic Meraa on October 1, 2009 at 1:47am

I liked the first two, especially Esoteric Agenda, I'll google Kymatica.

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Permalink Reply by Sandeep on October 1, 2009 at 7:45am

Yes, I thought the Zeitgeist videos were very well done.

A lot of the information about injustices of the US foreign policy was totally on the ball.

Helps to know the truth of what's happening.

But then focus on the solution, not the problem, right?

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Permalink Reply by Angus on October 1, 2009 at 7:52am

Yeah Zeitgeist gives good solutions at the end i think. The problem is deffo not worth getting strung up on.
I would suggest staying calm, cool and collective in any moment of life.

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Permalink Reply by David M. McLean on October 1, 2009 at 8:00am

I greatly enjoyed "Zeitgeist" (though I dislike the sequel), but it needs to be taken with a grain of salt. PJ takes quite a few liberties and shamelessly mixes fact with conjecture and pure opinion....which is fine, except that he presents all of it as fact.

Some of the criticisms can be found in the wiki article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist,_the_Movie#Criticisms

But don;t let that get you down. There is a web-site up that will give you award money if you can successfully prove any claims made in the movie:

http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/

I've not seen all of "Esoteric Agenda", but it'll be laying today during my workout.

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Permalink Reply by Angus on October 1, 2009 at 8:04am

If you liked Zeitgeist... there's no way you're going to try and disprove it for money.

That shit is better than money.

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Permalink Reply by YogaBrudder on October 1, 2009 at 9:20am

See my post today about underground military bases.

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Permalink Reply by Angus on October 1, 2009 at 8:10pm

ok

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Permalink Reply by David M. McLean on October 1, 2009 at 11:29am

Why not? It's claims are individually true or false. I have no illusion that everything Peter claims is true. I can like the movie without believing it lock, stock, & barrel.

Peter has (unfortunately) removed the references list from his web-site.

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Permalink Reply by Angus on October 1, 2009 at 8:39pm

I mean for money. I would be happy to disprove it, if i could, for free.

But what part exactly needs the closest examination?

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Permalink Reply by David M. McLean on October 2, 2009 at 8:28am

Section 1 (the "Jesus Myth") probably draws the heaviest fire due to the religious issues and Peter's citing of the same source continually. The notion that there was no historical Jesus is not accepted by mainstream academics, though there are those who are respected in those circles who do not believe in a literal Jesus. Also, some of his logic is a bit shoddy. But it's VERY interesting and the underlying concept of story-as-metaphor is (in my view) spot on. That part has agreement in many circles.

Section 2 (the "9-11" section) is the one that draws the "deepest" criticisms, from what I've seen. Lots of speculation and while he explicitly says he isn't taking sides on the issue, the obvious implication is easily heard.

Section 3 ("the fed" and the conclusion, which really should have been split into 2 discreet sections) could have been a bit more complete, in my view (a discussion of lending practices, for example), and he could edit out anything to do with Wilson. Woodrow Wilson was mis-quoted, but the reality is that Wilson (again, just my opinion) was a horrible human being: racist, elitist, willing to "bend" historical fact to see it the way he wanted, and worse. Why anyone continues to pretend Wilson was a good guy just because he was a democrat and the only president who held a PhD is beyond me.

That said, I still think it;'s a fabulous film with many important things to say.

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