vegan decides to add some animal foods (not buying the spiritual argument; she seeks more nutrients)

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Permalink Reply by telefunken on November 11, 2009 at 9:21am

You do acknowledge how "new to the game" DR and Freelea are right? We've all heard stories of early, incredible success with certain extreme diets. We don't know what level of health they will have a few years from now. Some of the problems with these diets only manifest down the road. Too early to judge.

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Permalink Reply by Charles on November 11, 2009 at 3:54pm

While I agree with you to an extent, one could make the same claim about the raw food diet in general.

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Permalink Reply by telefunken on November 11, 2009 at 4:05pm

absolutely. I think that's why we all need to keep our eyes open and be fairly critical of those who claim they have the complete understanding of how raw foods fit into optimum health.

Sharing personal experience / preference is great, but proclaiming absolute rules about how everyone should eat is just ridiculously naive.

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Permalink Reply by Rawgreengoddess on November 12, 2009 at 2:14am

yes,use thum smarts peoples....and keep eyes open...wiiiiiiide open lol

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Permalink Reply by Rawzilla on November 11, 2009 at 4:11pm

"One" did make that claim on a previous occasion. ;)

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Permalink Reply by Rawgreengoddess on November 12, 2009 at 2:14am

hmmm one did ;)

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Permalink Reply by Angus on November 12, 2009 at 4:59am

Probably perfect health if they keep their current mental happiness.

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Permalink Reply by YogaBrudder on November 12, 2009 at 6:12am

freelee's 29 and works out constantly - what about in ten years, who knows?

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Permalink Reply by Angus on November 12, 2009 at 5:16am

Vegans do not suffer from deficiency. As all living foods contain all the elements. They need something with all the amino acids like nuts and avocado etc. coconuts

I've read from Szekely - that because we have eaten meat for so long. It would be extremely hard to go straight back to being a fruitarian.

It's like if you've never sunbathed. You need to work into it slowly.

We might have to wait generations before we evolved into fruitarians.. even then... you would still need to consume oily fruits and dried fruits.

Right now... because we've eaten meat for so many thousands of years. We are better off slowly transitioning - with animal products such as milk products and egg.

This may not be for everyone. Like Durianrider and freelee - and others. These people are giving themselves really good "juice" - from what i can see - they are very healthy individuals. Really good thinkers.

But to say that the rest of us should not eat dairy or eggs would be hard to get much support - because other than the fact that factory farmed animals produce shit quality by-products - that's not to say you can't source high quality animal products.

I'm not going to say anything bad about animal flesh this time - my post is more directed at people who want to give up eating animal flesh.

Vegan diet is not going to produce some kind of super perfection that you could not get from vegetarian diet.

In fact eaten with the right proportions and quantities and QUALITIES - the vegetarian diet is by far, more mentally poising/happy joyful producing. I don't know why but i can't do veegs - and i'm not worried about some sort of food cure - because food doesn't cure.

But we need high water content in our food and fruit is still the best food. It could be the biggest section of our food pyramid - if we look at STRUCTURE GOVERNS FUNCTION

Eggs and dairy products can be very easily digested eaten in low quantities. I'm talking under 100gms a day for optimum results.

These animal by-products are just plants which have been synthesized using the Animals RADIATIONS.

EVeyrthing is radiation and electricity.
If you're worried about germs - don;t be... germs are just electric radiations. infinitesimal radiations. we are eternally bigger than they are.

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Permalink Reply by telefunken on November 12, 2009 at 9:25am

Angus said: ".....As all living foods contain all the elements......"


Please explain. I thought each food had it's own unique nutrient profile.

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and then Angus said: "...They need something with all the amino acids like nuts and avocado etc. coconuts..."

How could they "need something with all the amino acids....." when you already stated "all living foods contain all the elements"? Please explain.

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Permalink Reply by Angus on November 13, 2009 at 1:13am

Is an amino acid an element?

Of course I am not going to say every say element from the scientific table.

But each living organism has come from the Sun, Air, Water and Earth.

These are the basic elements. The sun produces all elements on Earth.

Food groups should be more about radiations and electricity and water then the solid compounds which are commonly conceived as the most important part of nutrition.

Eating is so simple n- we wouldn't normally have to get so technical. But folk like to bring out the magnifying glass.

There is electicity coming from the sun, and from the earth and from the cosmos.
These are absorbed by water.
Electricity is how the nutrients get into the cell - electrolysis.

Electricity does not exist without electro-magnetism. These radiations are PRIMARY in plants. And secondary in Animals. Because the animals we seem to eat - get them from PLANTS.

So eating them in plants first - saves any difficulty.

A fruit tree soaks different electricity seasonally - because the sun is constantly changing it's angle and the climate is changing. they are the most superior food in the vegetable kingdom.

Vegetables salads grow much quicker and don't have as much radiation perfection.
It doesn't mean they don't have a place in our diet. I very much enjoy salads. Plus we have a certain element of herbivorism in our group tree of evolution - so it's good to eat these.

Nuts and avocados honey, cheese, eggs and these highly concentrated foods. Are extremely nourishing. So nourishing - we don't need much. But they do have a place. They are extremely nourishing. So why wouldn't we need much? They are low in water, they turn into fat if you are not active, they are primarily BUILDING foods - so if we JUST ate them - that's all we would ideally do - is build. We'd be 7'6 YAO MINGS.

And we all know giants don't have very long lives. So much of their nerve energy is spent building their whole lives and not enough eliminating.

Health is the balance between nutrition and elimination. The body doesn't use much more than 80gms of concentrated protein a day. Therefore the rest is waste. These foods are harder to eliminate then fruit.
If you're body is trying to build with more than it needs - and it needs to eliminate more than it can handle - there's going to be an excess of waste in the body.

this excess is toxins, pathogens, whatever.

Stronger constitutions can handle more protein - but they also work perfectly fine on less.... and if you are conservative - then you are saving yourself more yoga energy..... lol

Fruit on the other hand is instant energy. It is the best energy - very easily digested and is the best staple.

And all living foods contain all elements but in different proportions. You responded to me the other week. "That's why we need to be more choosy." But in my honest response - it's only more choosey in the groups of food. Such as eating 50% fruit, 35% salads 15% starch 10% protein - or less starch and protein if you are less physical. It's the reactions of these foods - i yacked when trying to eat wheatgrass - which is more important then their components? The message that wheatgrass is higher in THIS, THIS AND THIS - means it is LOWER IN THIS THIS AND THIS

The human body is most composed of water - so is fruit - structure governs function.

Again it's easy to think that compounds are the most important part of food.
But it's like looking into a magnifying glass your whole life and not seeing the beautiful mountains and forests.

In my opinion fruit is the sweetest thing to eat. But i live where fruit is nice....

And vegans don't have any thing to worry about "nutritionally" eating 8/1/1... aslong as they do get some highly nourishing foods like avocados and nuts. I would think that the only result of not eating these foods would be - not as concentrated growth of muscles or whatever - but i'm sure a durianrider/freelee flex would prove me wrong.

On the other hand... cheese, honey and eggs digest ...fine.. in the same quantities of avocados and nuts. So.......

It's like Garlic - you don;t go eating a shit load of garlic because it's high in protein - or maybe you do... i do... keeps vampirella away.

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Permalink Reply by telefunken on November 13, 2009 at 7:26am

As far as plants go, sunlight is needed for photosynthesis and regulation of soil and air temperature. The sun doesn't "produce all the elements on earth" (unless of course I missed something, and If I did, I'd love to see the evidence which proves your theory)

Once a plant has the proper environment and light, it can go about the business of growth using nutrients from the soil. If the soil is lacking, like it usually is in some way, in industrial farming, the plant may still grow but without ability to provide wide spectrum nutrition to who or what eats it. In other words....the soil is critical to the quality of the plant. When we eat foods grown in modern industrial systems we are usually trading complete nutrition for convenience. And sometimes we have no choice since most food these days is grown in variably depleted soil.

And I do believe that cellular systems are geared around electrical charges, but If a body is healthy that's all taken care of by eating quality foods, getting sufficient exercise, reducing stress and sleeping well. We don't have to worry much about "radiations"....we need a wide variety of complete foods from healthy soils.

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