vegan decides to add some animal foods (not buying the spiritual argument; she seeks more nutrients)

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Permalink Reply by Erin on November 10, 2009 at 10:03pm

I'm still trying to get my hands on some decent raw dairy. I love Fage Total Greek yogurt, but it's not organic/grass-fed (it's hormone free and low antibiotic, from what they told me) so I only eat it for a treat sometimes. There's nothing like it, though!
I do like Trader's Point Creamery grass-fed organic yogurt with chia seeds mixed in (like tapioca- yum!) Not raw, but I figure it's still a highly digestible food. It's almost yellow colored, from the grass feeding and has a slightly cheesy (I think of it as "European") taste.

I love dairy but I do have to watch it- too much makes me a snot-head! My goal is to get some good raw milk (preferably goat or sheep) to make yogurt, kefir and soft cheese. I do better on goat and sheep than cow.

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Permalink Reply by Rawzilla on November 10, 2009 at 10:15pm

AH. Fage. My favorite! I used to eat that every day. I switched from the low-fat to the full-fat version and died and went to heaven.

No dairy for me now, but I will reintroduce it down the road.

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Permalink Reply by Finnegan Kelley on November 10, 2009 at 10:22pm

http://www.realmilk.com/where5.html#tn

^_^

Looks like there are TONNES of raw dairy farms in Tennessee, jealous.

I don't mix well with non-raw dairy, I get super sick from it - all sorts of digestive troubles there. Looking forward to trying some of the cultured raw stuff soon, I think I'm going to give it a month on just regular milk and then add kefir or yoghurt and see what happens :)

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Permalink Reply by Erin on November 10, 2009 at 10:34pm

We finally got a law passed recognizing the legality of cow shares:) Raw milk still can only be sold fort "pet consumption".
I'm having a heck of a time finding a goat share that isn't $$$ and that I don't have to drive 45+ min. to get a gallon for 12 bucks. I'll probably get some cow's milk and culture it. I've never really liked plain milk.

Funny- I used to think that dairy broke me out but then I figured out that it was the combo of dairy and carbs (like ice cream or pizza) that was the real culprit, as I haven't had one cyst on my chin since eating dairy in a low glycemic diet:)

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Permalink Reply by Roger Rawsberry on November 10, 2009 at 10:40pm

lol!! cheesy=european!!!

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Permalink Reply by telefunken on November 11, 2009 at 8:49am

Can't wait for kefir experiments which will begin around Thanksgiving for me. My farmer friend can't fulfill the local need until his new cow is "on-line" around that time. I've been talking to him about goats, but he has some rather strong opinions about the "joys" of goat husbandry. (I think goats can be challenging...)

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Permalink Reply by Rawgreengoddess on November 11, 2009 at 6:03am

i gotta tell you...when i was eating high fruit and no overt fats or rarely,my skin seem to get looser and detached from my body,it was weird....now its bounced back really nicely,i must admit i am a little vain in looking at my skin with pride these days,te he dont tell anyone ok?i think ive earned it after all the blah i put my body through with eating high fruits all day long...what a nooga i was,oh well i have learned....and my body is loving me for it..

crepey skin,meh!thats awful....ohhh Erin..you say the M word(eeep middle aged,its a horror ~~we will not speak of it again,ok ;))

my body is loving the fat im giving it...yummy raw from nuts and seeds,and nut mylks and avos and young coconuts and my fave everrrrrrrrrrrr chias yum yum...hey did you know that chias have b12...cool huh!

tell ya what though!! greens and green smoothies are kick ass for collagen bouncey bounce in the skin..and MSM is the bomb,right Zoe and Marianna???

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Permalink Reply by Travis on November 11, 2009 at 12:07am

your sheep milk reminds me of a funny story. i had organic sheep milk yoghurt once. i accidently got it instead of the goats one i wanted to try. i have to say it was gross. i couldn't help but think of it as tasting sheepish or like the smell of a sheep. i prefer goats milk or dairy yoghurt. oh and raw organic goats feta is really quite amazing cheese. unlike any i've ever had.

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Permalink Reply by telefunken on November 11, 2009 at 8:52am

ditto on the raw goat feta......amazingly good.

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Permalink Reply by Angus on November 12, 2009 at 4:53am

if a cow excretes pus in its milk. It is detoxing.

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Permalink Reply by Finnegan Kelley on November 10, 2009 at 11:51am

I would urge any vegans to give a lot of thought to this subject. Two years ago, the prospect of ever touching animal products again was beyond me. I've been vegetarian since I was 12, and I went fully vegan at 15; and even before I went vegan I would barely ever touch dairy, only occasionally ate eggs. I did it for ethical reasons primarily, and with the influence of veggie and vegan advocacy groups, I thought I was doing it for health. While I did miss the teenage acne phase, I don't think being vegan gave me much else besides an undeserved air of superiority.

The necessity of some animal proteins in the human diet makes evolutionary sense. If it didn't, it would mean that we are the only animal on Earth that consumes exclusively plant matter. A few centuries ago, it might have made sense to adopt an overtly plant diet; but with the effort we go to today to rid our food of bugs, it isn't sustainable. No other species is so picky when it comes to food, even strict carnivores will eat the stomach contents of an herbivore if it gets in the way, and some do it intentionally. It simply doesn't make sense to go against nature in the way vegans do. If it's ethics you're after, seek out a local farm or even find a family nearby that keeps chickens or cows and sells the excess. That covers the damage of importing and agribusiness farming as well as the humane treatment of animals.

But I won't begrudge someone for being vegan if it works for them. Personally, I think there is plenty of room for anomalies :) I just don't like it when people struggle openly with issues of malnutrition, issues that could be solved by adding a few ounces a week of whole, natural foods; and instead go for years doing god knows what to their system with pills and powders. That alone, that someone would feel more comfortable taking a b-12 supplement than eating an egg every once in a while should trigger some serious WTF reactions.

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Permalink Reply by Vampirella on November 10, 2009 at 12:00pm

Finnegan is back, where have you been??


If there was a fruit that was an animal at the same time I would eat that for sure.

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