The Real Scam -- Care to Follow Durianrider Off a Cliff?
So how bad do you want to be in denial? How much will you grasp to dogma, not facing the truth that we do so much to harm ourselves?
We rarely listen to our bodies, instead we get whisked away by "gurus" or charismatic people who are the farthest thing from those who bare the truth.
Most of these ego-maniacal know-it-alls are full of it. Not sure about that? Want to know how a strict vegan diet can deplete your body of B12? Read about our friend Harley, aka Durianrider.
From http://health.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=695434:
...remember, Harley completely cuts out anything to do with animal products and relies purely on raw fruit, veggies and nuts. His results have got Susie really worried: "My biggest concern is that your vitamin B12 is one of the lowest clinical levels we have ever seen!"
Harley's B12 was just 78. That's drastically lower than the normal intake range from 145 to 637 and means our vegan could be susceptible to anemia, blurry vision and loss of feeling in the hands and feet in the long term. "In the case of vegans, it's really up to them if they decide to supplement with B12. It is primarily from animal-based food so it's probably worth him discussing it with his GP or medical specialist," says Susie.
Still sure that a diet that you NEED to supplement is the best one for humans? Hmm..... it seems that the DR's take on the 80/10/10 is one of the biggest scams. Follow DR to illness if you like, it's your choice.
What do you have to lose, besides your teeth? Oh yes..., poor vision, no feeling in your hands, and anemia. Oh, to dogma!
We rarely listen to our bodies, instead we get whisked away by "gurus" or charismatic people who are the farthest thing from those who bare the truth.
Most of these ego-maniacal know-it-alls are full of it. Not sure about that? Want to know how a strict vegan diet can deplete your body of B12? Read about our friend Harley, aka Durianrider.
From http://health.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=695434:
...remember, Harley completely cuts out anything to do with animal products and relies purely on raw fruit, veggies and nuts. His results have got Susie really worried: "My biggest concern is that your vitamin B12 is one of the lowest clinical levels we have ever seen!"
Harley's B12 was just 78. That's drastically lower than the normal intake range from 145 to 637 and means our vegan could be susceptible to anemia, blurry vision and loss of feeling in the hands and feet in the long term. "In the case of vegans, it's really up to them if they decide to supplement with B12. It is primarily from animal-based food so it's probably worth him discussing it with his GP or medical specialist," says Susie.
Still sure that a diet that you NEED to supplement is the best one for humans? Hmm..... it seems that the DR's take on the 80/10/10 is one of the biggest scams. Follow DR to illness if you like, it's your choice.
What do you have to lose, besides your teeth? Oh yes..., poor vision, no feeling in your hands, and anemia. Oh, to dogma!
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Permalink Reply by Mellifera on -
I don't think modern science is the bogeyman it is made out to be. In the science world there is a pretty robust debate between the low fat and high fat advocates. There are lots and lots of studies that affirm the healthiness of a vegan diet...more than those that show that meat eating is healthy certainly! I have worked in science and most of the people in my research groups with vegetarians or vegans. We aren't all corporate mainstream shills.
That said, I have never seen 40% number anywhere. There have to be studies to show that number and I can't find them. Just because someone is an excellent doctor doesn't make everything they say true. She can't have seen everyone in the US and tested them, so she must be relying on studies.
I don't think that the b12 vegan thing has been debunked until I see it. b12 is complex and can be effected by absorption AND dietary levels. Vegans with excellent absorption may not have an issue, just as meat eaters with poor absorption will have a problem. But vegans have to be more careful with their diets so that they do not impair absorption... and so many vegans aren't.
I think the most important thing is to eat foods that don't impair your intestinal lining and to get tested.
b12: a worldwide problem
"Dietary vitamin B12 deficiency is a severe problem in the Indian subcontinent, Mexico, Central and South America, and selected areas in Africa. Dietary vitamin B12 deficiency is not prevalent in Asia, except in vegetarians."
That just underscores the complexity. Indians tend to be more likely to be vegetarians, but not Latin America....maybe it's the amount of antinutrients. Rice has the least amount of antinutrients compared to other stable foods.
could also be bacteria
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Permalink Reply by ben "the beekeeper" stiller on -
What strikes me about the grouping of "India, Mexico, Central & South America, and Africa" is the occurrence of parasites and other harmful bacteria in drinking water.
Given that I would imagine the link between colon health and B12 is an issue for vegans (or anyone for that matter) if they don't incorporate lots of fermented foods into their diet.
Where, after all, do the probiotics come from for fruitarians?
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Permalink Reply by Lizz on -
You dont need probiotics if you are fruitarian because fruit is already in a predigested form.
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Permalink Reply by telefunken on -
Do you really intend to say "predigested", Lizz? Isn't it more accurate to say "easily digested". I'm not picking....just want clarity. Thanks...
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Permalink Reply by Lizz on
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No I mean predigested. The sugar in fruit called levulose is a predigested sugar which is absorbed instantly into the body when consumed on an empty stomach and when their is not still fatty food present in the blood stream.
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Permalink Reply by Mellifera on
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huh? levulose is just another name for fructose. Fructose absorption is not affected by fat as far as I know. The main factor in it being absorbed in the small intestine is glucose.
Regardless, predigested is not a scientific term and so it's pretty hard to debate about. Digested by what? Maybe you mean easy to digest? Unfortunately, fructose/levulose is not always easy to digest depending on your genes and the absorption ability of your small intestine. Fructose malabsorption is a common problem in the general population. Raw foodists might have issues with it depending on their ratio of fructose to glucose (1:1 means all fructose is absorbed) in their meals and the healing of their digestive system.
Fruit can be a prebiotic though...those are nice.
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Permalink Reply by Mark on -
The important thing, as you say, is not to eat foods that impair the intestinal lining. Salt, chilis, spices, garlic, onions, these things are very irritating to the intestinal lining and mucous membranes which apparently does cause B12 issues.
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Permalink Reply by telefunken on
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Or maybe the best thing to do is use them with care and awareness of both their beneficial and cautionary aspects. These "irritants" as you call them have histories as health enhancers too.
Garlic is well known to provide sulfur and many anti microbial / fungal properties. Certain types of salt can be useful. Many spices are also helpful with health and healing (ie: turmeric and cayenne for example)
You use the term "very irritating". But that simply depends on many factors like: how potent the food is, quantity consumed, how prepared, individual body reaction, transit time through GI tract, overall health, etc....etc... Not everything will affect everyone in the same way.
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Permalink Reply by Cam on -
Tele,
Perhaps you can look at garlic in a different way. Garlic does have antimicrobial, anti-fungal and antibiotic properties. Antibiotic virtually means anti life by the way. Why would you want to ingest a substance that was anti life? My guess is that you will argue that certain people have unhealthy bacteria in their intestinal tract or an overabundance of candidiasis or something of that sort that needs killing to bring the body back to a state of homeostasis. The problem with this theory is that the body didn't get the bad bacteria or fungus from a lack of garlic, so eating garlic isn't addressing the underlining cause of the disease or bacterial imbalance.
Certain properties of garlic are anti life therefore they kill or inhibit the growth of ALL bacteria. If a person is sick and they have a certain amount of healthy bacteria and unhealthy bacteria in their system, garlic will affect both. Unfortunately if the bad guys out number the good guys and we kill all of the good guys off, then we are in trouble.
I would offer the opinion that a healthy person who has a healthy culture of bacteria in their system does not benefit from the consumption of garlic at all. There are no nutrients or properties that garlic has that we need that we can't get from other more life supporting foods.
Stop feeding the bad guys and support the good guys. We aren't at war with the unhealthy organisms in our body, they are there because we are feeding them things they like. Stop feeding them and they will go away.
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Permalink Reply by Lightlover on -
Who says garlic effects GOOD bacteria?
I don't think so, it is more intelligent than we are: it only effects the bad ones, just like it kills cancer-cells, and NOT
healthy cells. There are many herbs and spices, which operate selective,
just in line with the needs of the body...
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Permalink Reply by Cam on
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I wish this were the case. No credible literature I have found supports your claims.
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Permalink Reply by Mellifera on
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It is possible since the compounds in garlic that are antimicrobial attack in a certain way. You can do some research on this easily. But bizarrely enough, garlic and other alliums and known to PROMOTE the growth of certain bacteria, notably bifidobacterium, which are beneficial. Why? They contain a type of fructose that those bacteria particularly enjoy. Goes to show that you just have to figure out how specific foods affect YOU.
Furthermore, most the antimicrobials in garlic have been tested primarily in vitro, which means that they did tests in a lab, not in a human body.
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