The Real Scam -- Care to Follow Durianrider Off a Cliff?
So how bad do you want to be in denial? How much will you grasp to dogma, not facing the truth that we do so much to harm ourselves?
We rarely listen to our bodies, instead we get whisked away by "gurus" or charismatic people who are the farthest thing from those who bare the truth.
Most of these ego-maniacal know-it-alls are full of it. Not sure about that? Want to know how a strict vegan diet can deplete your body of B12? Read about our friend Harley, aka Durianrider.
From http://health.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=695434:
...remember, Harley completely cuts out anything to do with animal products and relies purely on raw fruit, veggies and nuts. His results have got Susie really worried: "My biggest concern is that your vitamin B12 is one of the lowest clinical levels we have ever seen!"
Harley's B12 was just 78. That's drastically lower than the normal intake range from 145 to 637 and means our vegan could be susceptible to anemia, blurry vision and loss of feeling in the hands and feet in the long term. "In the case of vegans, it's really up to them if they decide to supplement with B12. It is primarily from animal-based food so it's probably worth him discussing it with his GP or medical specialist," says Susie.
Still sure that a diet that you NEED to supplement is the best one for humans? Hmm..... it seems that the DR's take on the 80/10/10 is one of the biggest scams. Follow DR to illness if you like, it's your choice.
What do you have to lose, besides your teeth? Oh yes..., poor vision, no feeling in your hands, and anemia. Oh, to dogma!
We rarely listen to our bodies, instead we get whisked away by "gurus" or charismatic people who are the farthest thing from those who bare the truth.
Most of these ego-maniacal know-it-alls are full of it. Not sure about that? Want to know how a strict vegan diet can deplete your body of B12? Read about our friend Harley, aka Durianrider.
From http://health.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=695434:
...remember, Harley completely cuts out anything to do with animal products and relies purely on raw fruit, veggies and nuts. His results have got Susie really worried: "My biggest concern is that your vitamin B12 is one of the lowest clinical levels we have ever seen!"
Harley's B12 was just 78. That's drastically lower than the normal intake range from 145 to 637 and means our vegan could be susceptible to anemia, blurry vision and loss of feeling in the hands and feet in the long term. "In the case of vegans, it's really up to them if they decide to supplement with B12. It is primarily from animal-based food so it's probably worth him discussing it with his GP or medical specialist," says Susie.
Still sure that a diet that you NEED to supplement is the best one for humans? Hmm..... it seems that the DR's take on the 80/10/10 is one of the biggest scams. Follow DR to illness if you like, it's your choice.
What do you have to lose, besides your teeth? Oh yes..., poor vision, no feeling in your hands, and anemia. Oh, to dogma!
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Permalink Reply by Mellifera on -
it's true. I'm glad people want to share, but I wish they could do so without making others feel inadequate and/or guilty.
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Permalink Reply by Rawzilla on -
To date, I don't think I have been able to post this once without the evangelists coming for me. Maybe I will get lucky this time.
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Permalink Reply by telefunken on -
*sound of approaching scorn....* : )
that's wishful thinking sister.....
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Permalink Reply by Mark on -
Are they making people feel that way, or is it those who feel that way that are making themselves feel that way?
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Permalink Reply by Mark on
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Many people come to 811 with terribly degraded systems from years of abuse. That doesn't just right itself overnight.
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Permalink Reply by telefunken on
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Mellifera said: [snip]....we live in a new world...it's not the world of our ancestors who ate raw. Our soil, food, and water are poisoned and the stuff that is edible is often sterile. It's our own new journey and while learning from the past is wise, we need to adjust that to make up for the realities of the modern world.
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Excellent summary Mellifera. I'd add that soil, food and water are also lacking the vitality they once had (one example is trace mineral depletion in agricultural top soils..), in addition to being variably toxic and too often sterile.
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Permalink Reply by ben "the beekeeper" stiller on -
True Lightlover... Yes, my interest here to have a thoughtful discussion on the ramifications of going ahead with a diet given that there are red flags. You see what these B12 numbers look like for one of the diet's biggest proponents -- whether fully 811 at the time or not, this is a larger question of B12, veganism, and someone's long-time health and wellness.
I'm not claiming to have any answers -- yet I am providing people with information that's not readily shared. How many people under DR's wing knows of this medical issue?
Yes, it is true that we are all different, and some might do better than others on a vegan/fuitarian diet. I'm not telling people not to do the diet but I am alerting people to the fact that DR runs the risk of HUGE medical problems due to his dietary choices.
Vigilance is key, I guess. You've got to monitor your blood, your teeth, your eyes... perhaps more so than people on other diets??
But you know...
If your teeth are rotting it's not detox!
If your belly is distended it's not detox!
If your vision is blurry it's not detox!
If your hands are numb and your memory goes it's not because you're not doing the diet right (less fat or more fruit) -- it's that you're not making the right decisions for yourself; instead you're following someones' dogma for his/her own gain. You're not listening to your body. After all, what's your life if someone else can have followers and worshipers?
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Permalink Reply by ben "the beekeeper" stiller on
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LOL
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Permalink Reply by Rawzilla on
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Vlad,
Why are all your references always Durianrider and Douglas Graham?
I like to look at case studies from a variety of sources, scientific literature, this and other "dietary communities," and the people who lost their teeth on 811 and posted it in DR's video comments.
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