The Real Scam -- Care to Follow Durianrider Off a Cliff?
So how bad do you want to be in denial? How much will you grasp to dogma, not facing the truth that we do so much to harm ourselves?
We rarely listen to our bodies, instead we get whisked away by "gurus" or charismatic people who are the farthest thing from those who bare the truth.
Most of these ego-maniacal know-it-alls are full of it. Not sure about that? Want to know how a strict vegan diet can deplete your body of B12? Read about our friend Harley, aka Durianrider.
From http://health.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=695434:
...remember, Harley completely cuts out anything to do with animal products and relies purely on raw fruit, veggies and nuts. His results have got Susie really worried: "My biggest concern is that your vitamin B12 is one of the lowest clinical levels we have ever seen!"
Harley's B12 was just 78. That's drastically lower than the normal intake range from 145 to 637 and means our vegan could be susceptible to anemia, blurry vision and loss of feeling in the hands and feet in the long term. "In the case of vegans, it's really up to them if they decide to supplement with B12. It is primarily from animal-based food so it's probably worth him discussing it with his GP or medical specialist," says Susie.
Still sure that a diet that you NEED to supplement is the best one for humans? Hmm..... it seems that the DR's take on the 80/10/10 is one of the biggest scams. Follow DR to illness if you like, it's your choice.
What do you have to lose, besides your teeth? Oh yes..., poor vision, no feeling in your hands, and anemia. Oh, to dogma!
We rarely listen to our bodies, instead we get whisked away by "gurus" or charismatic people who are the farthest thing from those who bare the truth.
Most of these ego-maniacal know-it-alls are full of it. Not sure about that? Want to know how a strict vegan diet can deplete your body of B12? Read about our friend Harley, aka Durianrider.
From http://health.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=695434:
...remember, Harley completely cuts out anything to do with animal products and relies purely on raw fruit, veggies and nuts. His results have got Susie really worried: "My biggest concern is that your vitamin B12 is one of the lowest clinical levels we have ever seen!"
Harley's B12 was just 78. That's drastically lower than the normal intake range from 145 to 637 and means our vegan could be susceptible to anemia, blurry vision and loss of feeling in the hands and feet in the long term. "In the case of vegans, it's really up to them if they decide to supplement with B12. It is primarily from animal-based food so it's probably worth him discussing it with his GP or medical specialist," says Susie.
Still sure that a diet that you NEED to supplement is the best one for humans? Hmm..... it seems that the DR's take on the 80/10/10 is one of the biggest scams. Follow DR to illness if you like, it's your choice.
What do you have to lose, besides your teeth? Oh yes..., poor vision, no feeling in your hands, and anemia. Oh, to dogma!
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Permalink Reply by Mellifera on -
Actually, I just dug up some stuff about raw garlic
"Raw-garlic preparations containing allicin can cause chemical burns on the skin, contact dermatitis, and bronchial asthma (71,72). Oil-soluble sulfur compounds are irritants and allergens, and topically applied DAS is the most allergenic (105). When administered orally to laboratory animals, garlic causes stomach ulcers, anemia, decrease in serum protein, inhibition of spermatogenesis, and a decrease in intestinal flora (2,73–75)."
Clarifying the Real Bioactive Constituents of Garlic1
Harunobu Amagase2,3
Department of Research and Development, Wakunaga of America Co., Mission Viejo, CA 92691
"Freshly
crushed garlic is chemically unstable and has been shown to
cause undesirable side effects, such as stomach disorders (Desai
et al. 1990, Nakagawa et al. 1980) and allergic reactions
(Lybarger et al. 1982)."
Eek, the article notes that traditional preps of garlic treat it with vinegar, wine, dairy, or alcohol...plus cooking, which reduce or eliminate these irritants. I don't think I'll be adding it to my raw soups anytime soon.
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Permalink Reply by telefunken on -
Mellifera,
Thanks for your input. The scientific angle is important.
The info about lab animals and outcomes is good, but I wonder how many people would ingest similar quantities "straight" without combination with other food. My guess is the lab tests use methods which wouldn't apply directly to how someone might actually ingest garlic. Still, helpful to know about this study.
My point all along has been that quantity and potency and combination with other food items matters a great deal. I personally believe garlic and onions and spices can be healthful if used with knowledge of their natures. Those who say they should never be eating because they are "anti-life" are being unnecessarily alarmist.
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Permalink Reply by Cam on -
As posted elsewhere, if you want a thorough understanding of garlic and onions here is a good read.
http://www.rawfoodexplained.com/junk-foods-garlic-and-onions/introd...
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Permalink Reply by telefunken on
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Stating that something is "anti-life" is meaningless without taking into consideration it's concentration and use. I've never heard of anyone dying from eating garlic, since it's usually only eaten in very small quantities relative to the size of the average human.
I would offer that a healthy person, who isn't interested in being a purist with food issues, should eat garlic, onions, spices, herbs, etc. in reasonable quantities, without concern for the supposed horror of "ingesting a substance that is anti-life". That is, if they'd like to.
Those who think they are damaging should avoid them all. (even the tiniest, itsy-bitsy spec....)
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Permalink Reply by Cam on
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Tele,
Something that is anti life is anti life regardless of whether it's a drop or a bucket full. Alcohol is a poison (also anti life) by the barrel, by the bottle and by the ounce. Whether you dilute it with water or soda it's still poisonous. Granted the more you dilute it the less of an effect it will have.
Sure your not likely to keel over from eating garlic. If you enjoy the taste of it and you like it in your food, fine. Just don't kid yourself and think it's helping your body out in any way. Why do you think people who eat garlic smell like garlic. It's the body trying to get rid of it every which way it can. Not a health food. I guess we can agree to disagree.
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Permalink Reply by telefunken on
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Cam,
A poison ceases to be a poison when sufficiently dilute. Now, we can argue as to which exact point this occurs, but I think you get it. If you need to continue calling it poison, regardless of potency and quantity, just to make it dramatic, I understand that....some people will buy into it and become indignant at the mere thought of "ingesting poison". Fine with me, we all have our own persuasive style.
As with anything ingested, the body will react as needed to digest and assimilate and eliminate. If you believe the bodily functions necessary to extract the beneficial aspects of garlic are somehow more harmful than healthful, well that's your choice.
I've heard your cautionary explanation about the garlic smell in perspiration, before, too. It's like peeing red from eating beets or the smelly pee from asparagus. None very alarming to reasonable people. You apparently need to believe the body doing its work is somehow shocking. I don't buy it. But, as you said, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
----tele
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Permalink Reply by Mark on -
The reason that garlic is anti microbal and anti fungal is because it is so irrititing that those organisms cannot stand it.
Cut an onion open. I have an onion make my eyes tear from another room. What will that do then to the delicate mucous membranes?
If you put 2 and 2 together and make a logical 4, you can come to these conclusions for yourself.
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Permalink Reply by hajapapaya on -
that was my experience too,
with your explanation, it looks logical to me why I don´t eat it anymore.
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Permalink Reply by Debbie Took on
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For those who are interested in the Natural Hygiene view of garlic, spices etc, check the relevant sections at www.rawfoodexplained.com
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Permalink Reply by telefunken on
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Mark said: [snip]....Cut an onion open. I have an onion make my eyes tear from another room. What will that do then to the delicate mucous membranes?....[snip]
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Actually, if you think about it, everything we eat moves through the GI as it's eaten and digested. The amount of contact with any specific area is variable and as it moves it becomes ever more diluted due to combination with various bodily secretions.
Remember too that the stomach acid doesn't normally damage mucous linings in a health person. Still, you want me to believe small amounts of masticated garlic or onion, usually mixed with other food, is going to somehow damage a stomach more than its extended exposure to powerful stomach acid ? Please explain the damage in detail, if you think it's so terrible that people should never ingest garlic or onions.
I know you'd like to draw a direct connection between the vapors causing tears and the mucus membranes being somehow damaged, but this seems weak to me. I doubt eating a reasonable amount of onion or garlic causes terrible damage to health bodies. After all, we are talking about small quantites usually mixed with other veggies.
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Permalink Reply by Lizz on -
Not to be a complete devils advocate, but I both eat high fruit and eat the occasional salad with so called irritants in it. Still have high B12 levels. I don't know what caused DRs levels to go up, and maybe it was the damn onions and chilis, but I also don't really by it completely. I wish there was some scientists who wanted to do some real research on long term raw vegans and come up with some actual facts, because this argument is fairly stupid without the research to back up our claims.
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