Swine flu

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Permalink Reply by telefunken on April 27, 2009 at 3:23pm

Notice how I use(d) the words "may" and "might"? You should take them literally.

I rarely speak in absolute terms in these forums. Those who do will always draw my attention. I always want to know why someone speaks with certainty (especially when recommending products or attempting to recruit others to "one way" ways of thinking / believing). I will always ask why and expect a good answer.

I didn't say there are no genuine conspiracys. I just think we have to be careful since there are so many and they can easily cause paranoia, disempowerment and helplessness.

Playing the victim just because we feel the need to create or buy into a story to explain seemingly unexplainable events doesn't seem rational to me.

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Permalink Reply by Jasmine.green on April 27, 2009 at 2:58pm

Clinical psychology research also indicates that people have "better" mental health if they are less in touch with reality. Sorry. I think we have to feel and understand that there are some very frightening things happening on a massive scale and that financial systems today lend themselves to orchestration.

Call it conspiracy if you want, what's wrong with that word? Conspiracy is just 'tacit agreement to _____ (turn a profit) while being shrewd and cunning, and not very smart'. You don't even have to have a conversation about how evil you're going to be, in a conspiracy. Conspiracy just means breathing together.

This MMS stuff I don't like the looks of. But I don't like any substances that speed up oxidative stress.
Here's some research on what that stuff does:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=10&...

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Permalink Reply by Jasmine.green on April 27, 2009 at 3:46pm

Yes, you're right. It was once a fantasy. And most of us are not very skilled in fantasizing so there are these gigantic icebergs, oh well

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Permalink Reply by Madhava on April 27, 2009 at 3:09pm

did you read the detailed information about what it has done for people worldwide?
I would suggest you take a closer look. It does not oxidize healthy cells -just pathogens.
-and besides are you really about to believe WHO propaganda?
They are the backbone of CODEX

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Permalink Reply by Madhava on April 27, 2009 at 3:13pm

PATHOGENS: What are they?
A wide range of germs, parasites, and other unwanted organisms can enter the human body where they attempt to grow, reproduce, and wreck havoc by triggering dozens of defensive responses from the immune system.

We feel a cold coming on because the gold germ was observed by the immune system. To retaliate against the invading pathogen, histamine is produced and body temperature is raised in hope that this unwanted virus or bacteria may give up and die from the extra heat.


If immunity has been weakened, the invading germ multiplies and enjoys a cozy host, drawing free nutrients and taking over without pity. We say we've got a cold, or pneumonia, or bronchitus, or sticky phlem, or runny noses.

"Pathogen" is a general term similar to "germ"
referring to any of the unwanted diseases in the organized list below.

Diabetes is not on the list because it's not caused by a pathogen. That would be a case of glands that no longer produce adequate insulin - a mal-functioning body part that MMS may improve but cannot restore. MMS has provided unusual improvements in diabetic persons, possibly because irritation of the pancreas is eliminated, or because the liver is cleansed to perform its functions more normally.

MMS Mineral Drops when used as directed, are claimed to destroy virtually all the pathogens listed below except for the "Proteen Pathogens" where 8 to 10 years of observational-testing may be required.




Tumors and cancer are not on the pathogen list since they result from many causes - some unknown. There are amazing stories about improvements, remissions, and recovery from many types of cancer through the MMS agent. There are at least 60 types of cancer and it's not yet known which types regress in the presence of chlorine dioxide. It may turn out that some or all cancers are triggered by a virus that morphs into different shapes. Research on this possibility has been suppressed.

If there are viral causes of cancer, MMS will be a reasonable and valuable remedy. More testing and incoming reports will report on this disease later. In the case of tumors that grow wildly and rapidly, there will be cases where MMS will be unable to kill masses of cancer cells as rapidly as they are growing. MMS enimas enable chlorine dioxide to move directly into the plazma of the blood, increasing its ability to find and eradicate pathogens, limited only by the elimination systems and their ability to "keep up" with the toxic garbage that has to be removed from the blood stream.

With cancer, normal body cells gradually degrade from their normal functions into elemental reproductive machines, thriving without use of oxygen, and exploiting sugars to enable rapid reproduction of themselves.

Cancers may sometimes be triggered by lack of oxygen getting to some body part, or by a chemical breathed from the air or from impurities in water or air - especially chemicals not produced by nature such as PCBs, insecticides, cigarrette smoke, and industrial polution.

It's in the nature of chlorine dioxide to be attracted to deviant cancer cells where it will nibble away at cancers or tumors. If caught early, MMS can overcome cancer, based on many success stories that have been submitted. Further information is available at the MMS knowledge base - [http://MMSadvisor.com] . Consider the value of staying on MMS "maintenance mode" which would catch and destroy cancer cells before they gain uncontrollable momentum.

Heavy metals also are not on the pathogen list, aluminum and mercury, for example. Chlorine dioxide glums onto molecular metals violently and they are gradually eliminated.

Common poisons are excluded from the pathogen list such as arsenic, snake bite venum, spider venum, bee sting venum, Aspertame, Borax, and Wayfarin rat poison. MMS has proven to be very helpful in neutralizing these common poisons, documented in Humble's second book available [HERE] .

There may be some things MMS can't do. It won't won't help you change eating habits, nor reduce alcohol consumption, nor stop smoking, nor increase exercise. Duh ! Here's a sample quote from Humble's "Book Volume II - page 22."



If you understand the statements below, you'll be able to make your own
judgement about the scope of MMS likely benefits.


♦ Chlorine Dioxide attacks and destroys pathogens, removing bad things from the body.
♦ MMS boosts the immune system immeasurably - 100% or even greater.
♦ MMS doesn't heal anything, the immune system heals.
♦ MMS doesn't replace damaged body parts or add anything such as vitamins, nutrition, or oxygen.



In Humble's book "Miracle Mineral Supplement for the 21st Century - Volume II", he reviews some of the ailments where MMS has tuned a disease around. Here are some of the topics he exapnds - difficult diseases where improvements were obtained:

♦ Lupus, ADD, Diabetes, ALS
♦ Leukemia and internal cancers. (Boosted immune system and destruction of cancerous cells)
♦ Skin cancer, Melanoma, breast cancer, and others it is claimed.
♦ Asthma. (Best to use MMS over a long period of time - many variables.)
♦ Arteriosclerosis, (Clogging of arteries is claimed to be diminished over time by MMS)
♦ Black widow spider bites, Recluse spider bites, insect bites, mosquito bites
♦ Bird Flu, Pandemic, and Plagues Humble's protocols for dealing with specific diseases are at his private web site [http://JimHumble.biz] . Note that there are three items in the TOPICS column that deal with "protocols."

Another quote from page 18:

"Remember, chlorine dioxide is the most powerful killer of pathogens known to man. When used by the immune system, it is still the most powerful killer of pathogens and the most powerful detoxifer known." Jim Humble








MMS Medical Research
Are there Medical Studies Showing That Chlorine Dioxide is a Detoxifying Agent when Ingested?

What Scientific Articles Explain the Mechanics of MMS's Targeted Germicidal Action?

During the past seven years people in diverse countries have used MMS (Chlorine Dioxide) as a detoxifying agent. Sporadic clinical records and blood tests have been recorded by doctors and nurses. With MMS established as a superior method of defeating viruses and bacteria, it follows that a thoughtful analysis is needed regarding the effect of MMS on various diseases and health issues.

This web site attempts to catalog the medical and scientific writings, lectures, and peer-reviewed research articles that have emerged. Especially those that analyze the underlying chemistry and bio-chemical mechanisms that produce the MMS outcomes we read about in various success stories. Testimonials and success stories are nice to read but they lack the rigor that professional people expect to find. We seek schollarly research papers that report statistical outcomes from controlled tests and experiments.

Chlorine dioxide is a well-known water purifier, a germicidal gas when used externally, a mineral supplement, and a detoxifying agent when used internally. The writings and articles catalogued below provide a collective basis for stating in general that MMS is a powerful and beneficial anti-bacterial agent when taken internally within limits that are widely published.

The concept of drinking a few drops of activated MMS as a detoxifying agent (activated according to directions) has been experienced by at least 300,000 people who bought the one-year supply since 2006.

Probably 210,000 of those people continue to indest a few drops of MMS a few times weekly in a "health maintenance mode." MMS began to be circulated early in 2006 under the name "Miracle Mineral Supplement" or (MMS).

The question arises for some people "Has MMS been studied with rigor?" Is it safe to take internally? Are there scientists who recognize its benefits? If I ask doctors about MMS will they know what I'm talking about? Are there bibliographies of scholarly research articles that provide thoughtful appraisals of chlorine dioxide as a safe broad-spectrum detoxifying agent?"

Chlorine Dioxide is not classified as a drug. It's a germicidal agent and deodorizer. The ClO2 gas has been in constant use for about 70 years. Stabilized oxygen or stablized oxygen has been a competing product in drug stores for many years. So where are the scientists that can explain how ClO2 (from activated MMS) can target viruses and bacteria that invade our bodies while doing no damage to living cells?

1. Jim Humble's two downloadable books contain extensive bibliographic materials.
Jim Humble discovered a way to package MMS in a safe, manageable way for general public use. Prior to this breakthrough, you could not consider using it internally or in drinkable form. Without Humble's research and help from a few bio-chemists, especially Dr. Thomas Hesselink, we would never consider that chlorine dioxide could be packaged for internal use. Some bibliographical references are in Humble's free book titled "The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century." here: [ http://MMSsupersite.com/MMS-Book1.pdf ]. Between most chapters there are reports from hospitals and other reference materials.

In addition to book one, Jim Humble's two books are hard bound in one Book including an extensive bibliography. The book costs $24 at this off-site address: [ Here ] . However, permission has been granted for freely downloading the bibliography from book two. It contains 127 citations in PDF format. You can download it separately at no cost as shown below in item two that follows.


2. The formal bibliography from Jim Humble's 2nd Volume can be downloaded separately.
You can download it [ Here ]. It contains the list of books and peer-reviewed medical journal articles that existed at the time of writing in 2006. Permission has been granted by the author Dr. Tom Hesselink and also by Jim Humble to publish this material for public scrutiny and evaluation. These are the bibliographic topics in Dr. Hesselink's original Bibliography dated 2006-7:
♦ Oxidants as Disinfectants - 29 studies and reviews with cited sources.
♦ Malaria is Oxidant Sensitive - 67 entries with cited sources.
♦ Heme is Oxidant Sensitive - 27 entries with cited sources.
♦ Overcoming antibiotic resistance with Oxidation - 23 entries with cited sources.
♦ Targeting Iron (Related to Hemoglobin Iron Balance) 10 cited entries.
♦ Targeting Polyamines (Related to Destruction of Tumors) - 2 cited entries.
♦ Safety and Research Issues - 10 cited entries.


3. Illustrated Study "On The Mechanisms Of Toxicity Of Chlorine Oxides Against Malarial Parasites - An Overview".
If you were seeking a bio-chemistry refresher at the college level on the molecular behavior of Chlorine Oxides, this illustrated article by Dr. Tom Hesselink will bring you up to date. It applies DIRECTLY to Jim Humble's formulations and the MMS product. (Copyright by Dr. Hesselink. Used by permission here.) This is a high-quality college-level study that brings the subject to life. Small samples are shown here. Here you will see that MMS stands up to scientific scrutiny. This should be viewed by everyone who seeks additional evidence that scholarly research articles undergird statements about the germicidal actions of MMS or Chlorine Dioxide. PLEASE VIEW THIS ARTICLE even if you don't understand it.

There is uniform agreement that germs and pathogens cannot live in the presence of oxidative chemicals. Of these, chlorine dioxide is specially suited for targeting unwanted pathogens without harming living cells.

This information is taught in graduate-level pre-med university classes. This provides a basis for believing in the power of ClO2 to differentiate selectively when eradicating pathogens from the human body. [ Click Here ] ]


4. New Expanded MMS Bibliography with Annotations, Comments, and Footnotes.
Between 2006 and 2008 there was an explosion of research related to oxidative therapies and human health. The original bibliography shown in item 2 above is now four times larger. It is displayed creatively in a two-frame system below so that the footnotes can be held in view while perusing the article summaries and comments.

This scholarly work by Dr. Hesselink should be viewed if only to see the thoughtful arrangement of the material. As a strategy for publishing scholarly materials, this is a dream-system come online. Click [ HERE ] to view the copyrighted material. Note that both the blue and the green windows can be scrolled up and down. Note also that this material applies DIRECTLY to the MMS product and its internal uses. More than 400 footnote references are formally listed in scholarly style. This expanded bibliography is only published and visible on the author's web site.


5. A Page of Links to Sixty Other Authors and Web Sites is Available.
About 600,000 web pages refer to chlorine dioxide. Some are related to industrial uses of ClO2 such as processing paper, food-additives, leather treatments, purifying city water supplies, swimming-pool purification systems, and preventing spoilage of food products by eradicating salmonela and e-coli during the shipping and storage of produce items.

Each ClO2 topic below contains 10 to 20 links to other scholarly research sites.
♦ Chemistry, Biochemistry, Medicine
♦ Oxides Of Chlorine
♦ Various Applications
♦ Water Disinfection
♦ Food Disinfection
♦ Human Medical Treatment
♦ Veterinary Treatment
♦ Safety-Toxicity
♦ Electrolyzed Saline
♦ Parasitology Click [ HERE ] to view links to these MMS-related topics.



7. Biographical Information.
Jim Humble's life and personal background is contained in his first book "Miracle Mineral Supplement for the 21st Century". The free copy is here: [ http://MMSsupersite.com/MMS-book1.pdf ]

Dr. Thomas Hesselink is a medical doctor in Illinois. His background and personal interests are visible on his web site. Click [ HERE ] to view his biographical materials. He specializes in bio-chemistry and "BIO-REDOX" molecular reactions. He is in demand as a college lecturer and specialist on "Redox" and related topics.

Links to Dr. Hesselink's copyright pages were noted above.


Other friendly MMS sites:
JimHumble.biz Jim Humble's private writings and protocols.

http://MiracleMineralStories.com/ Read testimonials from users

MMSsuperSite.com Main MMS Hub Site

MMS-Instructions.com How to mix and drink MMS - How often, how much.


CONTACT INFO: Before writing to the MMS Institute about specific disease questions you should visit the knowledge base and click on various diseases that may be of interest. Click here: [ http://MMSanswers.com ]
An E-mail contact address is provided there.

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This page provides information about MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement) which is a well known salt in solution. When activated and ingested it produces Cl02 gas which is circulated in the body for about two hours. Encountering pathogens of any kind it rids them from the body as is taught in medical schools and colleges under the topic of Bio Rredox. MMS is generally used experimentally similar to other common tissue salts in solution such as Nat.Phos., Nat.Mur., and Nat.Sulph. Of the four oxidative therapies, ClO2 is the weakest oxydizing agent and as such is unable to harm normal body cells. Information about MMS and ClO2 gas (end result) is purely for the private use of persons who voluntarily experiment by ingesting MMS. Information herein is not a substitute for licensed professionals who alone can diagnose, treat, and give medical advice. This page informs people about one of many personal options that non-professional people sometimes use as experimental researchers. MMS web sites describe this one well-known salt in solution for limited internal and external use. The private but wide-ranging germicidal uses of chlorine dioxide internally and externally do not and can not represent the practice of medicine. These MMS pages assume no responsibility for how people use or understand these descriptive materials. No products are sold or shipped from this web site. No money is collected or billed. Nearly all people have ingested Sodium Chlorite (MMS) since its germicidal power was recognized in 1950. Competing products include "Vitamin O." Also "Stabilized Water." Also bad breath elimination patented systems, Superior swimming pool ClO2 systems, and superior ClO2 city water supply systems which provide various amounts of ClO2 for body ingestion. Being a salt in solution, it is a supplement whose end result (ClO2 gas) is added to foods prior to sealing - such as cold cuts, cheese, fruits, and vegetables - This is a primary method of destroying salmonela and e-coli that might remain in packaged foods. Summary: MMS is a food supplement, ingested by voluntary experimenters, for potential body detoxification. Such users are classed as experimental researchers.

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Permalink Reply by Jasmine.green on April 27, 2009 at 3:22pm

Madhava, though, look at this. It cites chlorine in the water supply as proof of the efficacy and safety of sodium chlorite. I don't know about you, but I take the chlorine OUT of my drinking water and shower water. It ruined my skin, swimming in chlorinated pools. Chlorinated water kills good bacteria in the gut. I don't think there's anything selective about it.

Not everything WHO says is untrue just because they're often imperialist and evil, is the hard part. They have tried for decades to get the US to reduce our rates of C-section births, for example. That makes sense to me, you know? No one gains ascendancy and control by spreading *complete* lies, there's always some truth mixed in.

It makes me sick to read pages and pages about animal studies (in that WHO link I pasted), but that's it. Some of the studies show results, in animals, that we already know to be true for humans. Sodium chlorite suppresses thyroid function. Well, we know chlorine displaces iodide in the body, for example, and the thyroid doesn't function without iodide. Why did innocent animals have to be tortured and die so we'd know that a nerve gas does damage to little bodies? I mean, that's what I think of chlorine. It's a nerve gas.

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Permalink Reply by telefunken on April 27, 2009 at 3:55pm

Jasmine,

Greed, power lust and short-sighted stupidity are more convincing than conspiracy, to me. But it's more exciting and intriguing to package it all as conspiracy. It's a better story line.

And I agree with the idea of better mental health through disconnection with reality. But, in order for the better mental health aspect to lead to a fulfilling, healthy, long life, one needs to be discerning about when and to what extent they "lose touch". Too much could worse than not enough.

-----tele

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Permalink Reply by Jasmine.green on April 27, 2009 at 4:05pm

I agree with your second paragraph 100% maybe I didn't phrase my statement properly.

As for conspiracy vs. greed, power-lust and short-sighted stupidity. I think people get really freaked out by the implications of *either*. I guess i have had experiences where I'm talking to people about greed, power-lust, and short-sighted stupidity, and they'll dismissively bury their heads in the sand by saying "oh, that's just conspiracy theory." It seems like the enormity of the implications short-circuit their brains. I say that sympathetically, mine too.

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Permalink Reply by telefunken on April 27, 2009 at 4:19pm

agreed. I think we may agree more than disagree on these topics.... : )

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Permalink Reply by Erin on April 27, 2009 at 2:23pm

Jane- read this article and hopefully your fears will be eased;)
http://www.cure-guide.com/Flu/Homeopathy_and_the_Flu/homeopathy_and...

I've used influenzinum as a weekly preventative during flu season for quite a few years now and I never even get so much as a chill. It's like a natural inocculation. Homeopathics are cheap, too!

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Permalink Reply by Erin on April 27, 2009 at 2:53pm

Me me!! Whenever I hear something scary, I take a deep breath and remind myself that I DO have a say about how my life turns out;)

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Permalink Reply by Erin on April 27, 2009 at 3:34pm

Thank you, dahling! This year has been gong really well for me and lots of people I know. I don't choose to tap into the worst case scenario. I live in happy-opposite land, LOL!
XOXO
PS- I love the new positive thinking Suvine;-) Lovely!

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