Swine flu

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Permalink Reply by Makaranda...=) on April 30, 2009 at 10:29pm

First AZ case of swine flu is confirmed in Phx. boy, 8
Staff and wire reports
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 04.30.2009
advertisementA student at a Phoenix elementary school became Arizona's first confirmed case of swine flu Wednesday, even as state health officials announced they had submitted 20 more samples to the federal government for analysis.
The 8-year-old boy from Moon Mountain Elementary School, in the Washington School District, has recovered from his bout with the flu, officials said, but as a precaution all students were sent home for the week.

even so Im keeping my ears open. I don't understand why the media is making such a big deal out of it except to take our attention away from something else- or they know some biological weapon they were working on got out.

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Permalink Reply by Makaranda...=) on May 1, 2009 at 2:32am

Yeah My parents have been sick for like 2 months. Last time I was down near Nogalas I got really sick. I blamed it on being near a border town and maybe from pumping my gas an not washing my hands or going into walmart for something. I had a weird feeling like something was going on then.

It really sucks when you feel like you re eating right too.

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Permalink Reply by Makaranda...=) on May 1, 2009 at 12:32pm

thats funny

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Permalink Reply by Makaranda...=) on May 1, 2009 at 12:38pm

If you haven't seen this report it's pretty interesting. Basically this could be the warning and it could get worse later. Maybe people should stock up on flax and kale chips just in case..

(CNN) -- If there's a blessing in the current swine flu epidemic, it's how benign the illness seems to be outside the central disease cluster in Mexico. But history offers a dark warning to anyone ready to write off the 2009 H1N1 virus.


The Spanish flu epidemic of 1918 sickened an estimated third of the world's population.

1 of 3 In each of the four major pandemics since 1889, a spring wave of relatively mild illness was followed by a second wave, a few months later, of a much more virulent disease. This was true in 1889, 1957, 1968 and in the catastrophic flu outbreak of 1918, which sickened an estimated third of the world's population and killed, conservatively, 50 million people.

Lone Simonsen, an epidemiologist at George Washington University, who has studied the course of prior pandemics in both the United States and her native Denmark, says, "The good news from past pandemics, in several experiences, is that the majority of deaths have happened not in the first wave, but later." Based on this, Simonsen suggests there may be time to develop an effective vaccine before a second, more virulent strain, begins to circulate.

As swine flu -- also known as the 2009 version of the H1N1 flu strain -- spreads, Simonsen and other health experts are diving into the history books for clues about how the outbreak might unfold -- and, more importantly, how it might be contained. In fact, the official Pandemic Influenza Operation Plan, or O-Plan, of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is based in large part on a history lesson -- research organized by pediatrician and medical historian Dr. Howard Markel of the University of Michigan.

Markel was tapped by the CDC to study what worked and what didn't during the 1918 flu disaster. Markel and colleagues examined 43 cities and found that so-called nonpharmaceutical interventions -- steps such as isolating patients and school closings -- were remarkably successful in tamping down the outbreak. "They don't make the population immune, but they buy you time, either by preventing influenza from getting into the community or slowing down the spread," Markel said.

Markel describes a dramatic example in the mining town of Gunnison, Colorado. In 1918, town leaders built a veritable barricade, closing down the railroad station and blocking all roads into town. Four thousand townspeople lived on stockpiled supplies and food from hunting or fishing. For 3½ months, while influenza raged in nearly every city in America, Gunnison saw not a single case of flu -- not until the spring, when roads were reopened and a handful of residents fell sick. Visit LIFE.com for photographs of the lethal flu pandemic of 1918

Nonpharmaceutical interventions, or NPIs, also proved effective in big cities such as New York, according to Markel. In fact, the sooner cities moved to limit public gatherings or isolate patients, the less severe their experience tended to be -- as much as an eight- or ninefold difference in case and death rates, he says. Based on this guidance, the CDC preparedness plan devotes dozens of pages to potential NPIs, from voluntary isolation to reorganizing company work schedules to reduce the density of people sitting next to each other in the office or while riding trains and buses.

If it seems odd to base medical strategy on 90-year-old newspapers, the approach is increasingly popular. "There's a big case for looking at history," says Simonsen. "We call it archaeo-epidemiology. You go to libraries and places like that, dig around, collaborate with people like John Barry and try to quantify what really worked." Map: where the flu is today »

Barry is the author of "The Great Influenza," perhaps the signature history of the devastating 1918 pandemic. He says the historical record shows that isolating patients worked to slow the spread of flu in 1918, but that attempted quarantines -- preventing movement in and out of cities -- was "worthless."

While Barry supports the CDC's general containment strategy, in the past he has publicly criticized Markel's work. After Markel's findings were published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, Barry wrote a letter in response, saying it wasn't swift action but rather an earlier wave of mild flu, acting like a vaccination, that was probably responsible for New York's relatively low caseload. In the letter, he noted, "New York City Health Commissioner Royal Copeland did tell reporters ... that he would isolate and quarantine cases," but based on his own articles in the New York Medical Journal, he "apparently never imposed those measures." In response, Markel and CDC officials pointed to a decision by the New York Board of Health making influenza a reportable disease, and a 1918 JAMA article describing strict quarantine efforts in New York. Barry says both those sources rely on Copeland's assertions, which he considers unreliable.

It looks superficially like an academic feud, but in this field, different conclusions can suggest radically different approaches to quashing a pandemic. Nowhere is this more true than in research that builds computer models to predict the spread of outbreaks, based on previous ones. Markel, along with most analysts, says that in prior pandemics, the so-called R-naught number -- the number of new infections caused by each infected person -- has been approximately 2.0. The current U.S. pandemic control strategy is based on computer simulations that assume a flu virus with an R-naught between 1.6 and 2.4.

Last year, however, Simonsen and Viggo Andreasen concluded that the true R-naught of the 1918 flu virus was probably somewhere between 3 and 4. Since an epidemic grows exponentially -- each person sickens three others, each of whom infects three more, and so on -- this is a tremendous difference. "It says it's going to be harder than we thought" to control a pandemic, Simonsen says.

Barry agrees. "I do think that some of these things, like isolating [sick people], will take off some of the edge. We hope they'll do more than that. But to think they'll stop a pandemic, that is just not going to happen."

Simonsen says control measures such as the steps taken by Mexico in recent days -- closing schools and restaurants, for example -- are still worth the effort. "It doesn't mean we should give up, because we don't know the R-naught [for swine flu]. We don't know how easily this spreads." But she adds, NPIs are at best a way to buy time. "We just badly need a vaccine. That's the most important thing."

To date, the CDC has emphasized personal protective steps such as washing hands and using hand gels, as opposed to tightening border controls or issuing formal directives to close schools or limit public gatherings. Such steps have been left to state and local officials, who have responded in a variety of ways.


One reason for the delay in stronger guidelines is that swine flu caught planners off guard; they had anticipated being able to recognize a pandemic overseas, weeks or at least days before it hit the United States. At the same time, CDC acting director Dr. Richard Besser said Thursday that it's important to let officials tailor their response to local conditions. "They can take the recommendations we're providing and apply them locally. [By doing that] we hope to learn and see what are the most effective control strategies."

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Permalink Reply by Jess on May 1, 2009 at 12:58pm

I have been reading emails sent over from this site: www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org - http://www.HealthFreedomUSA.org and could easily see where the whole thing is something manufactured... by Big Pharmacuticels, so that they can scare everyone into thinking this is going to kill them unless they get the vaccinations. They will make big money, people will get the shots for themselves and their families. Months down the road... when people start dieing, they will probably come out with some sort of story of the vaccinations being mixed with something else... or whatever they can come up with to try to explain it away.

I feel the key is to not being eating sugar, white flour, meat, diary, processed foods.... you guys all know.... =) If you are healthy and have a built up immune system.. you are golden. There is even an article on the site somewhere about how if you are forced into getting the vaccination... you can do a detox and flush it out.....

ANyways.... Im scared of this as well... but only because there are so many unknowns. My family and I are not 100% RAW.... but we are working on it. I think we are pretty darn healthy considering... We do a lot of vegetarian.... we limit the sweets and processed foods as much as we can.

It makes me especially thankful we live out in open space... with plenty of sunshine and fresh air.. and that we homeschool our kids and dont have to worry about them getting exposed..... =) and much more!

If we are prepared we have nothing to fear....



**** Oh yes.. I do have to say that though I havent posted in forever... I do always come and read and see whats going on.. ... this site is so full of wonderful people!! You guys all RAWK!!

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Permalink Reply by Madhava on May 1, 2009 at 3:01pm

So this is getting interesting ...What I sense from reading the majority of the postings is that most raw foodies agree that it is being "set up as a Big pharm Profiteering Fear campaign" and eat raw and you'll be fine...- not quite..
The issue is so much bigger. For anyone who has not read infowars.com , rense.com and other web sites- that have predicted this event for the past year, you have a little studying to do!
The reality is that just because it is not a Pandemic yet that is killing masses does not mean that it will not mutate into that. (Thats what the Vaccinations are supposed to help do)
Anyways, If you can face the fact that there are forces in this world that are working full time to reduce the worlds Population and that this may just be the first wave...Then, we have potential to work together to create sustainable communities and not wait around for forced vaccinations and Martial Law -( All cause we we too afraid to be judged as "Paranoid")
If you have not seen...

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Permalink Reply by Madhava on May 1, 2009 at 3:06pm

http://www.infowars.com/swine-flu-hysteria-spreads-faster-than-actu...

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Permalink Reply by Erin on May 1, 2009 at 4:23pm

Madhava- here's a different perspective:
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&...

No offense to Alex Jones, but this guy has better intel and sees the bigger picture. He has inside sources that don't go to Alex or others like him.
The conspiracy sites are being fed a lot of disinformation these days from the very people they rail against. I mean, think about it- why WOULDN'T the elite feed info into the alternative/conspiracy sites? They would and they do!

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Permalink Reply by telefunken on May 1, 2009 at 4:00pm

Madhava, Since the situation is so dire, and we are so screwed by the corporate / government puppet masters, and we are so clueless according to you....maybe we should all just chill and enjoy the calm before the mass depopulation kicks in.

The history of conspiracy theories is long and full of failed predictions of coming apocalypse. We all know corporations and governments are too tightly linked and often run roughshod over just about anything. So.......why are you so certain you are providing actionable information in this specific case?

There is a very strong likelihood that you are overreacting. The scenarios you insist are pending will likely not occur. I'm not saying this because I'm certain, only because I've seen how the majority of these dire warnings play out.

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Permalink Reply by Madhava on May 1, 2009 at 7:22pm

First of all I am not an "Alex Jones groupie" I have been an Astrologer most of my life and have been trained in both natural diet and medicine/Astrology by my family.
I have strong resistance to the Big Pharm. Genocide and i am willing to take judgments by the ignorant in order to "remind people" to Prepare -not panic for the situation at hand. Overreacting?
What is the harm in getting your seeds in the ground and preparing for the storm?
Did you Vote for the Hope of the obamanation and are awaiting the economic boom so you can get back to your mundane life? You will always find people speaking unescapable doom and New age lala
land but the facts in this situation is very simple!
and Rawzi...
My Faith is not caught within the paradigms your misconceptions about the Vedas....What is feeding me is pure prana and Mana -Not blood of animals -I choose to not walk in the path of the Blood sacrificing politicians.

People are asleep and I am a little blunt- Excuse me -listen to the music on my page and you will see what i am talking about.
This is the revelation I have my faith in.
It is coming from Sri Rama -revealed to the Super soul...

April 30 th 10:15 Rama Oracle Divination reading...

Question. the Coming challenges of a Pandemic?
Chapter 3 section 2 verse 2

"At that moment in Ravanas' Capital of Lanka Evil omens appeared everywhere . Repeated happening of fear death ,grief misery and destruction occurred in all parts of the City

Interpretation of the Prophecy of Rama... "A new Divine power has come forth, which means the forces of ignorance must decline. Evil People are Shown Signs of their downfall The Wise read these sign but the ignorant are unable to understand, though they are disturbed. This omen is unfavorable for action. An impending disaster is foretold for those that oppose Divine Will"

http://mandala.org/product_info.php?cPath=28_36&products_id=399

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Permalink Reply by Madhava on May 1, 2009 at 8:57pm

No Fear -No worries...I just had to respond to a snide remark -that its' my Vedic spiritual trip or diet that causes me to believe what i do...
I make the connection to the Black magic Elite - because people can gain great power eating Raw Meat -and doing animal human/sacrifices....but where is this power coming from? and what entities possess the mind of a diet based of Fear-filled tissues?
I understand -when I was depleted I ate Raw Fish for 2 years. I Gave it up after I build back strength. It is like a High-risk karmic Loan from the Animal Kingdom.
I think people get brainwashed by Raw Gurus who don't have their Alchemy Down and then run to meat after they hurt themselves by eating an off balanced diet for their dosha.

People can ignore all signs that are screaming to us to make changes from the toxic-consumptive modern lifestyle now...or continue along the shallow path and subscribe to the karma of the masses ..

I am all about empowering myself and others to be living sustainably in Community and manifest radiant service to humanity...If people choose to be frightened by information that has been confirmed to be present on this planet then... all I a can say is WAKE UP...look at it -find a way to make the world a better place and drop this mundane illusion that things will ever go back to Status Quo!

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Permalink Reply by telefunken on May 1, 2009 at 10:03pm

How did you know my life was mundane? I don't recall saying it....you must be assuming it; just like you assume your rantings are useful and welcomed by all. You know what they say about those who assume....right? *smile*

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Madhava said: ...........but the facts in this situation is very simple!

Tele: Sometimes the simple minded are prone to believe that the things they can't explain must have a simple solution. They have difficulty with nuanced rational thought and so they desperately need to blame some "other" to make sense of the disorder and randomness in the world. It's a fear based reaction.

Since I don't know you, I can't say for sure what your deal is Madhava, but, so far, I'm entertaining the possibility that you consider yourself a prophet or guide for this community. But your alarmist religious rantings and certainty that everyone needs to "wake up" and fall in line with your dogma are presumptuous and naive since we are primarily a group of people who are interested in raw food and holistic health.

Shouldn't you first find an appropriate venue before assuming we will be spoon fed your beliefs without question? lol. You should first take a survey and then focus your efforts on the susceptible ones.

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