Stop blaming capitalism for what corporatism has done

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Permalink Reply by Vampirella on October 30, 2009 at 11:03pm

I cant stand to listen to MM

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Permalink Reply by alex anthony on October 30, 2009 at 11:08pm

i agree. he's an evil man.

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Permalink Reply by Charles on October 30, 2009 at 11:18pm

Huh? Does he drown babies or something?

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Permalink Reply by alex anthony on October 30, 2009 at 11:48pm

he's a nobleman who pitches himself as a proletariat champion and advocate while using dogma and carefully edited rhetoric to coerce selfsame proletariat out of their hard earned dollars. his success is a critique on the lack of discernment and the irrational emotional involvement of his audience. he's laughing at them. instead of releasing his films open source (in order to show that he literally puts his money where his mouth is - he can easily live comfortably off the charitable donations of all his acolytes) his films are distributed by the same multinationals/corporations he claims to be against. like the big companies he likes to storm - he's getting rich of disinformation and manipulation of a subjugated population mass.

like paul claims in the video above - moore doesn't even have his terms right - it's not capitalism that's at the core of this issue - it's coporatism. and the irony about corporatism is that it's a direct result of free markets - natural monopolies will arise and they will use money and influence to make markets impure. That is the ULTIMATE NATURAL SYSTEM and it's mimicked everywhere else in nature.

paul has too simplistic a view of government. he is incorrect that people are not turned away at hospitals - hospitals are only required to legally stabilize your condition in an emergency room - nothing else. you can be denied expensive surgery and probably will be denied if the hospital is forced to choose between you and an insured patient. paul thinks free markets are the answer and they are not.

moore doesn't want change - he just wants more bad things to happen to have more stuff to make films about. his insidious dishonesty is pure evil.

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Permalink Reply by AwesomeUniverse!!! on October 30, 2009 at 11:51pm

Wow! Excellent summary!

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Permalink Reply by AwesomeUniverse!!! on October 31, 2009 at 12:04am

How did you get this kind of information Alex?

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Permalink Reply by alex anthony on October 31, 2009 at 12:07am

which information? about michael moore or free markets?

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Permalink Reply by AwesomeUniverse!!! on October 31, 2009 at 12:37am

tHE MM info.

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Permalink Reply by Charles on October 31, 2009 at 12:18am

Wait a second... although Moore uses the umbrella phrase "capitalism," he's been very specific in many interviews that his movie is an attack on corporatism. He has no problem with the average person trying to make a buck.

I do agree with you that his movies can be too cleverly edited and that he uses mainstream sources to distribute his movies, but it's sort of a double edged sword there: use an independent company and few people will watch.

I'm not really trying to defend Moore here as I do have some problems with him, but.. evil? Come on. Obama bombing a village in Afghanistan four days into his presidency which killed a bunch of women and children... that was evil. Monsanto? Evil. Let's keep things in perspective.

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Permalink Reply by C. B. Alien Worshipper on October 31, 2009 at 12:23am

Charles how did I know you would be spamming this beautiful thread with your communist propgaganda!!

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Permalink Reply by Erin on October 31, 2009 at 12:53am

Alex, I think you're being very hard on Michael. I'm not his biggest fan but feel I know a lot more about him as a person than you. I don't feel he's any kind of nobleman.

MIchael currently lives in my old hometown of Traverse City Michigan and I have to give him credit for all he's done for the city. He's renovated and reopened the old historic theater and it runs movies that the multiplex doesn't.
He started a film festival that is rapidly growing and will soon rival Sundance. He gives a whole lot back to that community and even my right-wing Christian friends who hate Michael's politics like him as a person. He's very involved in the community- he's not "wanting bad things to happen to have mover stuff top make films about." That's ludicrous.

I suggest you spend some time in Flint, MI, his hometown (and where my dad currently lives) which is truly a shit-hole of a city, to see where Michael comes from and why his politics are what they are.
I may not agree with him on a lot of things but I know exactly where his motivation comes from. I see why he is pro-union and pro-blue collar. He still very much identifies with those people. He could've moved out of Michigan (the state with the highest unemployment rate) and moved to Malibu, but he chooses to stay and try to make a difference.

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Permalink Reply by alex anthony on October 31, 2009 at 2:41am

with all due respect, michael moore also has an upper east side residence here in new york that he purchased for close to $10 million and has a personal net worth of about $100 million.

i don't doubt that flint is a tough place to come from - and whether he identifies with his hometown doesn't obviate the fact that he's in the business of criticizing the very mechanism that has made him rich for a living. further, he uses that mechanism as a tool to continued riches.

he's not genuine at all to me - and that's insidious. just my humble $0.02.

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