Removal Notice: Durian Rider
Update: Alright guys, not trying to kill conversation, but this thread has said all that needs or can be said. If you want to talk about this further, startup a new thread. Cheers!
This morning I chose to remove Durian Rider from GI2MR.
If you've been here for long, you know that we've had a few incidents with DR on GI2MR. If you ask DR rider about these incidents he'll say that we have something against 80-10-10.
That couldn't be further from the truth. I regularly recommend the online community 30 Bananas a Day (which DR and Freela started) to people who want more info on 80-10-10. In fact, when Freela was first setting up the 30 Bananas A Day community she asked me for advice on building communities and I gladly helped.
So this isn't some sort of "raw conspiracy" even though I have a feeling that DR will try to make it sound that way.
So what is this about? This is about being a nice, decent human being and respectful to others.
DR, especially in the last 2 weeks, has repeatedly attacked members of this community with his "80-10-10 or die" message. To spread what he is up to, he puts others down. That's his style and that's fine, but it doesn't work for us at Gi2MR anymore.
In his mind, DR thinks he is being "revolutionary" and "uncompromising", but his mentor, Dr Doug Graham, who is a friend of mine, would never act the way DR is acting. Putting others down to lift his message up.
As an example: In a recent posting about Anthony Anderson, the Raw model, durian wrote:
"look at that pic of anthony 'crying' with his 10k$ perfect white teeth.. poor anthony had to 'resort' to eating animal products cos he couldnt imagine victoria boutenko in a bathing suit.."
Ask yourself, "Would you want to be friends with this guy?"
Not me and not many others at GI2MR. So, DR, it's time to go.
Wish you the best of luck at 30BD. I love Freela and love what she is up to. If you want a new 80-10-10 roll model hit Freela up. Or hit up my buddy George Wiggins who is also eats 80-10-10 and is a deeply compassionate soul. Just email me and I'll introduce you to him.
For those that don't like the fact we've removed DR from this site, you are more than welcome to express your opinion here. We may not agree, but I will hear you out.
This morning I chose to remove Durian Rider from GI2MR.
If you've been here for long, you know that we've had a few incidents with DR on GI2MR. If you ask DR rider about these incidents he'll say that we have something against 80-10-10.
That couldn't be further from the truth. I regularly recommend the online community 30 Bananas a Day (which DR and Freela started) to people who want more info on 80-10-10. In fact, when Freela was first setting up the 30 Bananas A Day community she asked me for advice on building communities and I gladly helped.
So this isn't some sort of "raw conspiracy" even though I have a feeling that DR will try to make it sound that way.
So what is this about? This is about being a nice, decent human being and respectful to others.
DR, especially in the last 2 weeks, has repeatedly attacked members of this community with his "80-10-10 or die" message. To spread what he is up to, he puts others down. That's his style and that's fine, but it doesn't work for us at Gi2MR anymore.
In his mind, DR thinks he is being "revolutionary" and "uncompromising", but his mentor, Dr Doug Graham, who is a friend of mine, would never act the way DR is acting. Putting others down to lift his message up.
As an example: In a recent posting about Anthony Anderson, the Raw model, durian wrote:
"look at that pic of anthony 'crying' with his 10k$ perfect white teeth.. poor anthony had to 'resort' to eating animal products cos he couldnt imagine victoria boutenko in a bathing suit.."
Ask yourself, "Would you want to be friends with this guy?"
Not me and not many others at GI2MR. So, DR, it's time to go.
Wish you the best of luck at 30BD. I love Freela and love what she is up to. If you want a new 80-10-10 roll model hit Freela up. Or hit up my buddy George Wiggins who is also eats 80-10-10 and is a deeply compassionate soul. Just email me and I'll introduce you to him.
For those that don't like the fact we've removed DR from this site, you are more than welcome to express your opinion here. We may not agree, but I will hear you out.
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Permalink Reply by Uti on -
Thank you for doing the tough thing Dhru. Lots of people have been stirred up by the melodrama lately and that has detracted from the purposes of this site. I hope we can get back to having fun and helping people who are seeking support. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I do recognize that when the people holding the space create an environment that makes it safe to communicate without fear of being judged, then people will be able to find the tools to transform themselves.
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Permalink Reply by Dhrumil on -
"when the people holding the space create an environment that makes it safe to communicate without fear of being judged, then people will be able to find the tools to transform themselves."
well said!
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Permalink Reply by Az'ya on -
I appreciate that you've done this. I respect everyone's opinions and right to dietary choices, but that energy was a big deterrent to me, to the point where I'd more or less stopped participating here.
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Permalink Reply by Joshua del Mar on -
I have to say that Im very disappointed... I mean, apart from Pete and his hilarious Raw Humour, DR was the only one to make me laugh till I cried! I would read comment after comment in fits of uncontrollable laughter, laughing till I could laugh no more, breathless, belly hurting and having to wipe the tears from my eyes so I could read the next installment....
I think we're loosing more than we realize. I like to have a bit of controversy, I like a little bit of stormy weather, I like a bit of unrest... It makes this whole ride so much more fun to have some diversity... Its only a computer screen, no one has to comment on what he says, or take offense by it..... Because what is it really? Who is this guy in your real life? If you dont want to read it, it takes just one click to delete him and his comments forever..
So, now what? What are we all gonna talk about? Who are we all gonna make fun of? Who is going to be our village idiot now? (no offense DR)
Perhaps we all take ourselves, just as seriously as the infamous Durian Rider, Harley does..?
Bad Monkey - No Banana!
I think we just lost one of the classics.... And a whole lot of hilarious entertainment!!!
Now, who will step up to take his place????
Hehehehehe,
Josh :o)
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Permalink Reply by Dhrumil on
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Maybe you can setup Josh ; )
On the real though, for people who are new, DR is scary. He scares them off and they don't want to come back because they feel they will be attacked.
You look like you are pretty grounded, but for folks who are new, it is very important to make them feel welcome.
Thanks for your comments.
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Permalink Reply by Rawzilla on -
Yes, DR was entertaining. But the problem is that many of us, myself included, are here with serious health problems. And we need a safe space to share and receive what is basically medicinal advice and support. Getting attacked is not an energy I'm interested in.
Recently I believe DR "reasoned" that a certain member should have just eaten her dog (who had just died), since she wasn't vegan. So it goes from entertainment to cruelty and pain just like that.
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Permalink Reply by Mark on -
It's calling out hypocrisy. The same people who eat cows will cry out when somebody fries up a dog. Utter hypocrisy.
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Permalink Reply by Rawzilla on
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It may be hypocrisy. I won't argue with the reasoning, because it's not relevant.
It was a cruel attack, made no less mean by the fact that it was an example of hypocrisy (the jury is still out on that). He simply used hypocrisy as way to be mean.
This is a lack of social awareness, of emotional IQ.
We are not so stupid that we need him to point out the paradoxes of eating meat and loving and honoring animals. This is a highly educated and aware group of people. I don't know anyone eating meat on GITMR who is not aware of the animal protein paradoxes and ethical considerations.
People who have found their way to GITMR--especially those who went from vegan to animal protein--have been on a LLONGG journey. DR is like a bratty kid who has not yet dealt with difficult decisions and cannot relate to people who have evolved past 80-10-10.
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Permalink Reply by telefunken on
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