Raw food and cenentarians

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Permalink Reply by Rawzilla on October 16, 2009 at 12:24pm

These are important questions, and I asked them too. In my mind, there is no question that fish is highly beneficial for humans. I have added cooked food and animal protein back in my diet and am doing much better than I was with 100% raw vegan.

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Permalink Reply by Rawstrength on October 16, 2009 at 12:49pm

I feel I get a lot of benefit from the 1/2 tsp of high vitamin cod liver oil I take every day. A little goes a long way.

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Permalink Reply by Markus G on October 17, 2009 at 4:25pm

According to consciousness calibration research by Dr David Hawkins the time of death is karmically predetermined. The exact moment the spirit leaves the body is set in stone. All we seem to get to do is choose what we do with our time.

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Permalink Reply by Travis on October 17, 2009 at 5:27pm

i think the problem with tofu or soy is when it's gmo and bastadised by the white man. fermented soy is much better.

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Permalink Reply by Makaranda...=) on October 17, 2009 at 8:33pm

thats a great word! we've bastardszed a lot! I'm going to have to look that word up now!

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Permalink Reply by Bryan on October 18, 2009 at 1:12am

Peter, the way you describe the Okinawan diet, it sounds like it major components are fish and tofu. Yet when I look in Wikipedia, it says:

Generally, the traditional diet of the islanders is 20% lower in calories than the Japanese average and contains 300% of the green/yellow vegetables (particularly heavy on sweet potatoes). The Okinawan diet is low in fat and has only 25% of the sugar and 75% of the grains of the average Japanese dietary intake.[1] The traditional diet also includes a relatively small amount of fish (less than half a serving per day) and somewhat more in the way of soy and other legumes (6% of total caloric intake). Almost no meat, eggs, or dairy products are consumed.[2]

A serving is 100 calories. So they are eating about 50 calories of fish a day. But the bulk of their calories and their food intake is coming from a vegetarian diet.

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Permalink Reply by Charles on October 18, 2009 at 2:58am

Haha.

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Permalink Reply by Rawstrength on October 18, 2009 at 10:14am

John Robbins does not look healthy. He looks much older than he is.

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Permalink Reply by John Coleman on October 18, 2009 at 2:48am

This is an issue I've mentioned before. The birth records of Okinawans are good, it is a fact that they have excellent longevity. Some of this is genetic, however it is evident that a low fat, "wholefood" diet low in animal products does support human health and longevity. No such data exists (yet) for a raw food diet, but that does not mean that one day we will not see raw food centarians.

This really puts things into perspective, and goes a long way to challenge the myth that cooked food is poison or that animal products are deadly to our health - it is the specific types and amounts consumed that determines outcomes. Evidently nutrition is not a field in which there are simple answers.

Do you think there are any raw foodists who started raw in 1909? I doubt this, so it seems reasonable there are no raw food centarians yet. Raw food diets didn't really kick off significantly until the 70s, so we will need to wait until 2070s to see centarians.

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Permalink Reply by Rawstrength on October 18, 2009 at 10:27am

Check out this article on Japanese food http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/japan.html .

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Permalink Reply by VibinOnLife! on October 20, 2009 at 11:30am

Personally, I do not believe that a 100% raw food diet is sustainable for a lifetime. And I believe that there is a reason why people continue to "cheat" and raw food "gurus" are spotted eating bagels, chicken, and other cooked foods. For me, the raw food diet is like a natural medicine, a healing program. It is a means to heal the body, return to optimum health, and move forward in a more conscious way. For example, golden seal helps to heal the body also, but it shouldn't be taken for more than 7 days without a break. I cannot justify within myself, eating organic raw foods 100% of the time, and then thinking that it is normal to have to supplement that with a B12 supplement. Where is the whole food source for B12?...that can actually be properly assimilated in the body? B12 is stored in our bodies for such a long time. I think this is because the natural sources of B12...meats...are only meant to be consumed every now and then.

As for being vegan because of cruelty to animals, I don't agree with this concept. I believe that the way that conventional meat is raised and slaughtered is very inhumane, and that particular meat should not be consumed. However, I do believe in consuming meat from free range animals who are raised well and on their original diet, and who are slaughtered humanely. But this is the natural cycle of life. And I do not agree with anyone who tries to tell me that because I do not have claws and cannot run 60 mph, jump on the back of a water buffalo, and eat his organs raw that I am not supposed to eat meat. I think that meat consumption is fine in small amounts...once you have healed. (And some people heal while eating raw and small amounts of meat) I would add fish to my diet a couple of times a week if I wanted. And I would add some other meat a few times a year. For me, this is sufficient and acceptable.

So for me, I can see being completely raw, even for a few years depending on the circumstances, but after that, I would not attempt to live this way for a lifetime. I think that people get so caught up in the whirlwind of excitement over something new. They claim that this is the only way! And if you're not doing it this way then you're not doing it at all! It's the same old win-lose mentality. Someone has got to lose in order for us to win. This is a flawed concept, and it should be squashed in all areas of life. Everyone can win together. However you feel best, do that. And however I feel best, I am surely going to continue to do that as well. And for some that might include a 100% raw diet all the time. For some it might be totally raw with a slab of steak twice a year, for others it might be a high percentage of raw, with a little bit of everything else thrown in for good measure. Whatever floats your boat! lol

But to actually answer the question, I do not believe that there will be many 100% raw centenarians. And I wonder about those who do gain that title, how many times they have "cheated" or given in to something not totally raw. Even Jack Lalanne is not a vegan. He eats fish now...along with his raw foods and juicing.

Raw is not a new concept. If there were going to be centenarians, we are at a stage in raw where we should have some examples by now. This is the other thing that amazes me...all of these "gurus", 20, 30, 50 years old! LOL! These people are just repeating what has been being taught and practiced for longer than they have been alive. People treat this as if it is a new concept and the world must be told; however, just because we are just finding it doesn't mean that it didn't exist. It did. And still, there are no raw centenarians.

Oh, and also, I believe they did a study of people on the halellujah acres diet some time ago. They aren't even 100% raw, but it appeared that they were feeling great for a while, but then started to have health problems again...some of them. The study revealed that of the ones who were having problems, those were the ones who were sticking to the diet to the best of their ability. The ones who seemed to be thriving on the mostly raw diet, it was found, were actually cheating and having an egg or a little meat every now and then.

I'm not trying turn anyone against raw, because I truly believe that its essential for everyone to at least try to be all raw for a period in their lives...even if it's just for a few weeks a couple of times a year. Or to be high raw for life. However, I will not accept the idea that 100% raw is a lifetime affair. There is just too much evidence in the form of real people who thrive outside of raw. And as long as we have people with too much ego and sales at risk to be honest, I don't think we will truly know whether or not raw has been sustained by anyone to the point reaching 100+. When you shout from the rooftops "cooked food is poison" and "nothing but whole fresh ripe raw organic foods" and you have 100 videos of you out foraging for blades of grass and telling people that you live on wheatgrass juice and water....only to find that you're having bagels, chips, chicken, rice, etc...how could we ever know the truth???

I saw another post where someone was saying that they have cut the cords on gurus. I totally agree. And this is one of my reasons why...besides the fact that they are anything but gurus...I agree because it does not seem that people can be trusted to be honest. And this is why I applaud those who can come on here, are 100% raw for days, months, years, whatever, and then let people know that they ate something outside of that. And it might not be a plea for help, but just acknowledgment, acknowledging that they did something different and survived lol. It didn't kill them and they were fine. And making sure that people know that they have variety in the diet and not giving the impression that they are something that they are not. This is very important if we really want to get the best of this lifestyle, and the best of this lifestyle is truth first and foremost. I'm not going to debate with people over quinoa, chlorella, and cacao. Do what you do. But be honest about it.

Whew! Guess I spoke my 2 cents for the day. lol And just to reiterrate, this is my belief, and I am not inviting any arguments or debates here. Sometimes things get a little heated on these boards. Such healthy people, such aggressive dispositions! lol ...that's another thing I'm trying to figure out about raw. Hmmm.

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