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Kaybee

need gardening help--mice and rats into the greens in my greenhouse. YUCK.

if anyone has any advice, I'd GREATLY appreciate it. im having problems with losing my greens in my greenhouse to rats and mice. i thought the droppings were just from slugs, as they were on the veins/base of the plants (swiss chard is what theyre really after at the moment), but today i saw droppings that are definitely rat/mouse size. they are decimating my chard in the greenhouse, and have previously destroyed trays of baby sunflower greens. rats are endemic to this country and they live all over in the numerous stone walls (ireland). i have a bunch of winter baby greens in trays at the moment that need to go into the ground in the greenhouse, but im afraid to put anything down as it will get eaten. i have kept all my baby cilantro, chervil, and spinach covered with horticultural fleece INSIDE the greenhouse, which is ridiculous, but to keep the mice/rats off--they started shearing off the baby spinach as it was coming up-- but i dont have enough fleece to cover the WHOLE INSIDE OF THE GREENHOUSE FLOOR WITH, in order to protect all the plants, and they would find a way under it anyway. im so frustrated as ive been dealing with this problem for months... they also ate my turnips outside, and now i am afraid to use the stuff in the greenhouse as i dont want any diseases from these evil pests. SO GROSS.

thing is, i have serious ethical issues with killing them, so i dont really want to trap or poison, but i dont really see any other options at this point...sealing them out of the tunnel does not seem to be possible as they get under the doors. short of putting a cement base in the doorways, i dont think its possible to have a totally flush ground surface where the doors are, and its not my greenhouse, nor on my property, just something i have been allowed to use, so the cement thing isnt very feasible at this point

I hate poison and any kind of kill traps. BUT.. i need to eat this winter. and they are stopping me from doing that at this point. fresh greens are really hard to get here unless you grow them yourself, and i really need what i have, and i need it to be NOT CONTAMINATED by their gross droppings. (there is also some disease here that you can get if you eat something a rat peed on, wheel's disease or wiles disease, and its a pretty serious disease) i know poison is less humane than traps, but i dont think i can deal with emptying or dealing with traps. that said, im worried about putting poison down as i dont really want it getting into my veggies and herbs and the ground...
SUGGESTIONS? i am at a loss. we NEVER had this problem back in massachusetts.
thanks much

kaybee

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Can you get a humane trap that traps them without killing and you can release them somewhere where they won't cause a problem.

http://www.hygienesuppliesdirect.com/sub/humane_rat_traps_humane_mo...

If you google search you should find other humane traps that will be suitable

I'm biased too as I used to resuce mice and rats, they are wonderful animals, very intelligent and communicative.

I had a rat in my compost once and I got a bit of a shock as it was huge but I felt sorry for it knowing it was likely to be poisoned and die a horrible slow death once anyone knew there were rats around so I used to feed it, I never got inundated with rats, they never caused me a problem but eventually it disappeared, I suspect though someone else poisoned it, the way they kill them is horrible they put down these pellets that swell inside them and then explode causing there insides to dissolve and they die a horrendous long painful death.

I once saw a mouse in my house but I never saw it again and when I moved my dad found it dead, in the back of a cupboard, it had died of old age.

Anyway none of this helps you with your problem, if I were in your situation I would seek out a humane trap and release them in a field or woods.

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awww blueberry--I SO wish i could... but i tried this with mice in my house once and it was an absolute nightmare, and totally ineffective. I caught like 2 before I moved out, and there were dozens and dozens more left uncaught. Ive been know to remove live mice from sticky traps my old landlords put down and then release them, and toss the traps, despite the hell my apartment had become... its just a lose lose sitation. as far as the rats, there are SO many of them, they are everywhere. a friend told me that there is always a rat less than 6 feet from you, and given how many there are here, I wouldnt be suprised. Im going to check out your trap, but I dont know that I can make a dent in my problem by trapping one at a time... hmmm. i hate dilemmas like this. my friends say I always end up with the critter problems because they know i dont wanna kill them. lol. at the moment there is a huge snail living on the ceiling in my spare bedroom... hes been there a while, i think he needs to go live outside and eat grass instead of wallpaper hes been eating...lol but yeah, hmmmm. i dont know that relocating one at a time is going to work in this situation. someone posted about an electric wire..that sounded really good...except I dont know how I could run it low enough without the wire being touched by grass or anything as the greenhouse is in a field...

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lol. i wouldnt even know where to find one here.ive never heard of anyone having them as pets here. but yeah, if it were my property and my place, i could do a whole variety of things, but with it not being my place, i dont have the resources or the money to make too much of an investment. he lets me use the greenhouse for free because hes not interested in it anymore. i can do whatever i want it seems, he doesnt really care/mind, but i cant ask him to invest in a greenhouse he has no interest in. so finding a solution falls on me.

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