Nazariah- Anyone read this?

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Permalink Reply by The SaladMander on November 3, 2008 at 2:28am

Let me know when you find out where he is..

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Permalink Reply by miin chan on November 3, 2008 at 4:08am

Thanks for the comments guys!
I would love to know what Jinjee and Storm would have to say about this, seeing as Storm has been raw vegan for a very long time and all their kids are raised raw vegan. Yes, I agree about the not falling into dogma bit. Of course, every individual has their own bodily needs and that is what experimentation with diet is about.. figuring out what works for you. When it stops working, figure out what you need to change. I think an important aspect of diet is actually spiritual.. but of course, Nazariah is talking solely about physical health in this instance!

If I had access to raw milks I might consider drinking them, or eating kefir etc (but I wonder what T. Colin Campbell reckons about fermented dairy? Hmmm.. I'd like to know if there has been any research done)... but it's not possible where I live and I'm not willing to drink pasteurised milk or eat cheese/ yogurt. Eggs, definitely not. But I do sometimes worry about B12 issues (being a medical doctor, I have had this kind of thing drummed into me).. I've had it measured after being vegetarian/ vegan for 8 years and my levels were high normal (iron too). What do you guys think?

"Evidence" is a hard one.. There is definitely a positive side to modern research techniques but they too are fallible. i find that in raw vegan circles there is a lot of pseudoscience going on and that concerns me. I think in the end.. it is all up to the individual to assess on an intuitive level and be open to change. You have to know where you're at!

Love

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Permalink Reply by miin chan on November 3, 2008 at 4:26am

Hi Xerxes,
I can understand the whole "science" is pseudoscience thought process.. but I think it is really unfair and a bit extremist to discard everything that modern medical science has ever proven. Not ALL of it is nonsense! A lot of it definitely is but.. having worked in a medical science background and done research myself, I wouldn't go as far to say that it is all complete BS. If you know how to properly set up studies and critically analyse them you will definitely be able to sift the crap from the good useful stuff. Sure, structurally there are things that need to change (esp in nutritional science) but to say that anecdotal evidence is "better" is going a bit far, IMHO.

I just think sometimes us raw foodies (and vegans) can be too extreme in our views instead of extracting the good from wherever we can find it and making huge generalisations, discarding EVERYTHING instead of being sensible and using what makes sense. I'm not saying that is you, but I just find that attitude is very unhelpful.

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Permalink Reply by miin chan on November 3, 2008 at 5:30am

well i think that is a very very small difference. and that is why i don't like the labels i suppose! just because you eat honey, a single thing in your diet that is from a bee, immediately means you're completely not raw vegan. i find that weird.. but that's just me!! :) i guess in the end, labels don't matter.

thanks for the info though. i found jinjee's response to the nazariah interview anyway

http://www.thegardendiet.com/naz.html

xo!

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Permalink Reply by miin chan on November 3, 2008 at 9:24am

hiya!!

maybe i'm uninformed but when became vegan i had no idea that it meant you couldn't eat honey, and i certainly didn't become vegan because it was 'trendy'. trust me, it's not trendy at all where i come from! and i personally don't give a damn about labels. it's just that.. sometimes they bother me.. and one thing that really pisses me off is "true vegans" who are militant about it all and get all annoyed or upset because someone who eats honey still calls themselves a vegan. many people i know say they are vegetarian but eat fish and you know what, i don't give a flying crap because everyone has their own path and if they feel the need to be trendy and label themselves for that period in time, but it means they are consuming less animal products, then good on them. i certainly don't get offended or upset because it's not a competition.

i am a committed vegan to the point of not wearing leather, but i just don't like the whole "oh the way you eat is not up to my standard according to the labels so i'm upset" thing and i have definitely had my fair share of experience with people who do that. i think it just puts others off eating less meat because vegans can be so pushy (ok, huge generalisation but you get what i'm saying i think!).

i appreciate what you are saying though, and yes there are trendy vegans. but in the end, all our goal is to educate more people and reduce the consumption of animal products over all.. or at least have more humane ways of raising them. i do believe that you can eat honey and have a lovely symbiotic relationship with bees (not the same as eating a cow exactly).

peace!

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Permalink Reply by Marc on November 3, 2008 at 11:35pm

I agree with that. If someone was truly comfortable in their lifestyle, and living harmoniously, they wouldn't wear and claim sole ownership over any label like "Vegan" or "Vegetarian." That seems to imply they have some investment in the name, and that they want to be the ones who define what that label means. If they were doing it simply because they believed that was the best for them, they wouldn't get upset about how other people define it. One doesn't own the label, they live according to their own ideals. Labels are just words used to communicate, and everyone has their own definition, like everyone thinks of a different variation when I type the word "red." Yours might be brighter, more vibrant, or darker, richer. Coca- cola red, or fire engine red, you get the point. Everyone has a different mind, so by nature a variation of the same idea in their head about what a word means. This same problem happens with religion, politics and everything else; there are those that want to define labels instead of just being themselves. I don't see a difference between a militant Vegan who gets angry at trendy Vegans and radical religious people who think everyone else is going to hell but them. It's all about identifying yourself with some external idea or thing, and idol you might say, and then claiming soul ownership of it, wearing it like a badge. Why not relax and be yourself and let others call themselves what they will? Don't let those angry people get to ya Miin chan, they might be eating better than most but they will still need to get their blood pressure checked if they don't stop getting angry and those who don't live their way.

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Permalink Reply by miin chan on November 3, 2008 at 4:33am

haha fair enough, i have to agree with you on that.
but i guess, he does have a point in regards to dogma and that people often don't want to admit when they are wrong.
:) out of interest.. are you raw vegan or vegetarian? and what has been your experience with it?

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Permalink Reply by Audrey on November 3, 2008 at 7:46am

lol Pete! funny.

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Permalink Reply by Natasha on November 3, 2008 at 8:25am

Hi, what is A.C.E?

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Permalink Reply by Apryl Electra on November 3, 2008 at 6:48am

I am happy that such a wonderful human being as Nazariah has found what worksfor him on his life's path. However, I have always had a theory about anxiety and depression on a raw vegan diet. When you eat a close to nature as possible but you don't that way, it can take a toll. As a raw vegan living in the urban city of Minneapolis, MN I think my issues with anxiety and sensitivity to cold climates are not food-related but actually life-related. If I eat like I live in a tropical climate but am stuck here hibernating in the dark winter, yes, my body and mind aren't quite synched-up. So maybe I have to visit a tanning salon when there isn't sight of the sun in weeks. And maybe I have to work a little harder to physically exert my body in the winter to get enough exercise even though I just want to lay around. If I'm living off of fruit that I don't get to pick myself I somehow need to act as if I had in some form "picked that fruit" by doing the equal amount of exertion and getting some "sun."
Does this theory make sense to anyone? As far as the anxiety, the city and daily work stresses are nothing that our primate relatives really that are on a similar diet have to deal with... You know?

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Permalink Reply by Suzie- Smoothie on November 3, 2008 at 7:33am

Mmm Interesting...its always good to hear folks stories but you never really get the full picture really of what they were or were n t eating from day to day ?
And anyway some things work for some and not others...the usual theory? Sorry to be a bit black n white but unless you get the full scoop on someone's diet n lifestyle its difficult to tell? (:

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Permalink Reply by Audrey on November 3, 2008 at 7:37am

I didn't read the article, but I 100% agree with what you are saying.... ;-)

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