Is there anyone on this site who is pro vaccine?

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Permalink Reply by Barron on November 4, 2009 at 9:47pm

There IS mercury in vaccines in the Unites States - you are not correct.

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Permalink Reply by Chicory on November 5, 2009 at 3:09pm

I think partly why we are seeing more kids with autism and add is misdiagnoses... that doctors will slap those labels on any kid with behavioral issues. Most of the time what I have seen is not autism, but a messed up diet high in msg. MSG causes all sorts of neurological problems, brain cells die, neurons fire too rapidly, etc.

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Permalink Reply by Nicole on November 5, 2009 at 3:24pm

No offense meant but are you qualified to say what is or isn't autism?

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Permalink Reply by Chicory on November 5, 2009 at 7:51pm

no offense taken! I''ve worked with autistic adults and children for many years. I also worked at an elementary school, where 4 kids were labeled autistic. Honestly, 3 of the 4 kids seemed to be totally normal. I spent time nannying all of them, and ended up being a nanny to the boy I actually thought received a correct diagnoses for 4 years. I feel like over the years of working with people with a vast range and degrees of disability that I am pretty good at picking up on them if they are there ;)



oh, also, I volunteer at the institutes for the achievement of human potential... a lot of the kids that come there with the autism label are completely cured with a high mineral diet, no bananas dates or sweetners, no dried fruits, no spices except leafy green herbs, no stimulants. It's really amazing actually :)

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Permalink Reply by Nicole on November 5, 2009 at 7:57pm

Thanks Chicory and you are right, there are alot of lazy doctors out there. I just wanted to check as this is a very personal topic for me. :)

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Permalink Reply by Chicory on November 5, 2009 at 7:59pm

It is for me too.... it's good to know that there are people passionate about this!

Permalink Reply by Barron on November 4, 2009 at 8:50pm

Alex said, "....even the autism foundation has moved away from the autism/thimerosal link....."

Errrr. no they haven't Alex!

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Permalink Reply by alex anthony on November 4, 2009 at 8:55pm

Autism Speaks believes that vaccines have been shown to be safe for the vast majority of children, and that vaccines are important for preventing serious diseases such as measles and mumps. It recognizes that some individuals may have adverse reactions to, or respond poorly to, vaccines, and advocates research into identifying any subgroups of such individuals and mechanisms behind any such reactions.[5] This has strained relations between the Wrights and their daughter Katie, the mother of an autistic boy. Katie believes her son's autism was caused by thiomersal, a preservative that was formerly common in children's vaccines in the U.S.; no major scientific studies have confirmed this hypothesis.[2]

with all due respect, YES they have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_Speaks

i'm fond of links. post yours. autism speaks has moved away from thimerosal and their research is focused on genetic causes. i know people like to look down on wikipedia links - but this quote is attributed and the sources are on the wikipedia link.

“The vaccine-autism issue has really been put to bed”
- Autism Speaks Vice President of Scientific Affairs Dr. Andy Shih

http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2009/08/18/autism-speaks-3/4686/

The nation’s largest autism advocacy group appears to be softening its stance on a possible link between autism and vaccines.

Autism Speaks, which funds research looking at vaccines and autism, may be trying to distance itself from this theory. In an interview with the organization’s chief science officer, Geri Dawson, published on the Autism Speaks Web site late last month, she said that “overwhelmingly” scientific studies “have not found evidence for a causal relationship between either thimerosal or the MMR vaccine and autism.”

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Permalink Reply by Barron on November 4, 2009 at 8:55pm

Alex said, "even the autism foundation has moved away from the autism/thimerosal link."

This is completely untrue Alex. See here: (!!!)
http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/thimerosal.php

THIMEROSAL

Thimerosal is an inorganic mercury compound that is metabolized to ethylmercury and thiosalicylate and has been present since the 1930’s as a preservative in some vaccines and pharmaceutical products to prevent bacterial and fungal contamination.

Click here to view video from the University of Calgary.
How Mercury Causes Brain Neuron Degeneration
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THE FACTS:

1.

Mercury is hazardous to humans. The use of a toxic poison as a preservative is undesirable, unnecessary and should be eliminated entirely.

2.

For decades, ethylmercury was used extensively in medical products ranging from vaccines to topical ointments as preservative and an anti-bacteriological agent.

3.

Manufacturers of vaccines and thimerosal, (an ethylmercury compound used in vaccines), have never conducted adequate testing on the safety of thimerosal. The FDA has never required manufacturers to conduct adequate safety testing on thimerosal and ethylmercury compounds. Current evidence suggests thimerosal is neither "safe nor effective" when used as a preservative in vaccines.

4.

There are over 1500 studies and papers documenting the hypoallergenicity and toxicity of thimerosal (ethylmercury) have existed for decades.

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The United States is in the midst of a tragic epidemic of autism. An analysis of the US Department of Education data from 1992-1993 in comparison to 2000-2001 indicates that there has been an average increase of 644% among all US children. In addition, 13 states have reported an almost infinite or infinite increase in autism from 1992-1993 in comparison to 2000-2001. A review of children in US schools indicates that approximately 1 in 9 children in the US is currently disabled by the US Department of Education Statistics (see attachment). Recent studies in the Journal of the American Medical Association and Pediatrics have confirmed the autism epidemic is real and not due to changes in diagnosis, populational changes nor is it explained by other factors.

6.

At the same time that the incidence of autism was growing, the number of childhood vaccines containing thimerosal was growing, increasing the amount of ethylmercury to which infants were exposed threefold.

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A growing number of scientists and researchers believe that a relationship between the increase in neurodevelopmental disorders of autism, attention deficit hyperactive disorder, and speech or language delay, and the increased use of thimerosal in vaccines is plausible and deserves more scrutiny. In 2001, the Institute of Medicine determined that such a relationship is biologically plausible, but that not enough evidence exists to support or reject this hypothesis. Recent studies have confirmed the association between the use of thimerosal and autism has moved from "biologically plausible" to a "biological certainty" (Boyd Haley). Recent work by Dr. Mark Geier and David Geier in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons and Experimental Biology and Medicine have shown strong epidemiological evidence for a causal relationship between thimerosal and neurodevelopmental disorders in children.

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The FDA acted too slowly to remove ethylmercury from over-the-counter products like topical ointments and skin creams. Although an advisory committee determined that ethylmercury was unsafe in these products in 1980, a rule requiring its removal was not finalized until 1998.

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The FDA and the CDC failed in their duty to be vigilant as new vaccines containing thimerosal were approved and added to the immunization schedule. When the Hepatitis B and Haemophilus Influenzae Type b vaccines were added to the recommended schedule of childhood immunizations, the cumulative amount of ethylmercury to which children were exposed nearly tripled.

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The amount of ethylmercury to which children were exposed through vaccines prior to the 1999 announcement exceeded two safety thresholds established by the Federal Government for a closely related substance - methylmercury. While the Federal Government has established no safety threshold for ethylmercury, experts agree that the methylmercury guidelines are a good substitute. Federal health officials have conceded that the amount of thimerosal in vaccines exceeded the EPA threshold of 0.1 micrograms per kilogram of bodyweight. In fact, the amount of mercury in one dose of DTaP or Hepatitis B vaccines (25 micrograms each) exceeded this threshold many times over. Federal health officials have not conceded that this amount of thimerosal in vaccines exceeded the FDA's more relaxed threshold of 0.4 micrograms per kilogram of body weight. In most cases, however, it clearly did. As evidence of the growing concern of the adverse effects of mercury, the FDA has recently changed its permissible dose of oral methylmercury from 0.4 microgram to 0.1 micrograms per kilogram of body weight per day.

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The actions taken by the HHS to remove thimerosal from vaccines in 1999 were not sufficiently aggressive. As a result, thimerosal remained in some vaccines for an additional two years. Thimerosal remains in several vaccines and with the addition of the influenza vaccine now being recommended for infants, children are exposed to more thimerosal today than ever before.

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The CDC's failure to state a preference for thimerosal-free vaccines in 2000 and again in 2001 was an abdication of their responsibility. As a result, many children received vaccines containing thimerosal when thimerosal-free alternatives were available.

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Thimerosal should be removed from all of these vaccines. No amount of mercury is appropriate in any childhood vaccine.

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The CDC in general and the National Immunization Program in particular are conflicted in their duties to monitor the safety of vaccines, while also charged with the responsibility of purchasing vaccines for resale as well as promoting increased immunization rates.

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There is inadequate research regarding ethylmercury neurotoxicity and
nephrotoxicity.

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There is inadequate research regarding the relationship between autism and the use of mercury-containing vaccines.

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To date, studies conducted or funded by the CDC that purportedly dispute any correlation between autism and vaccine injury have been of poor design, under-powered, and fatally flawed. The CDC's rush to support and promote such research is reflective of a philosophical conflict in looking fairly at emerging theories and clinical data related to adverse reactions from vaccinations.

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Permalink Reply by alex anthony on November 4, 2009 at 9:03pm

barron, look at my "autism speaks" post above.

and you've yet to explain how the populations with significant levels of mercury in their diets have low incidences of autism. why have you refused to answer this question?

why does japan have such low incidences of autism despite eating more than 4 times as much seafood? the aleutians? how do you account for the fact that there is more mercury in a mouthful of kelp than in almost a dozen vaccinations? do you eat kelp? would you feed it to your children? how about tuna?

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Permalink Reply by Pontus Kristensson on November 5, 2009 at 9:01am

I have no expertice in this field... thou isn't there a tremendous difference between eating and injecting?

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Permalink Reply by John Coleman on November 5, 2009 at 9:54am

yep injecting and eating are entirely different

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