Is there anyone on this site who is pro vaccine?

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Permalink Reply by Rawgreengoddess on November 7, 2009 at 4:28am

i am so glad that my Mother didnt believe in vaccinations or anything like that and kept me away from the doctor as much as possible,thank goodness...

i had a b12 injection 2 years ago,and i got a severe reaction to whatever the serum crap is its floating in,i blew up like a balloon and itched for days,awful :(

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Permalink Reply by Maryn Knevitt on November 5, 2009 at 7:12pm

Vaccine? Does not sound right. Does not seem natural. Natural Selection.

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Permalink Reply by Lockheart on November 6, 2009 at 8:41pm

I was scared of vaccines after reading all the horrible things about them on the internet. Then I realized... it's the internet. No one has died from the H1N1 vaccine. LOTS of people have died from the Swine Flu... end of story. Everything else is conspiracy theories... and we all know how those turn out... just theories.

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Permalink Reply by Vampirella on November 6, 2009 at 9:04pm

Scorpion

people have died from the 1971 swine flu vaccine and 500 were paralyzed. I thought everyone knew that.


The swine flu vaccine now isnt fully out yet but out of 100 bums they tested it on I think 30 died next day.

35 girls died from gardisil shot and many injured, some nerve damage

My nephew died after getting his 2 month booster shots. That is what SIDS is!!!

And autism, dont get me started. I worked at a clinic. I got the phone calls from mothers who knew the vaccine did it. They woke up next day after vaccines, A ZOMBIE, I secretly put them in touch with groups that take legal action against vaccine companies

it happened to Jenny Mcarthy's son. She went on Larry King. She said the vaccine companies told her her son was the rare case. She was livid and totally beat down the pro vaccine guests with her story.

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Permalink Reply by Lockheart on November 6, 2009 at 9:51pm

Everyone around here has the vaccine and everyone is fine. The swine flue is in 95% of schools in the U.S. 48 states have it. It's in my daighter's mother's daycare. 1 person died from the 1971 vaccine and the rest of the stuff you wrote is false internet propaganda.

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Permalink Reply by Rawzilla on November 6, 2009 at 9:59pm

Actually one person died from the 1976 swine flu; twenty-five died from the vaccine (you can verify with any credible source, even if you want to go the library and look it up on a legitimate news source printed on a piece of paper without going to the "propaganda-filled" Internet). Hundreds were injured by the shot, and hundreds of thousands of claims were filed. The government knowingly hid their knowledge of the damage the vaccine was doing, and they made false claims about celebrities getting the shot (in their big vaccine marketing program). You can watch the "60 Minutes" interview to see Mary Tyler Moore discuss just such a lie about her.

Now bear with me, as I'm reposting:

We've been hearing that there is a pandemic on the way, that there are 1,000 deaths each month from the Swine Flu. But CBS News used the Freedom of Information Act (and used a videotaped conference Q&A to get a CDC rep. at the podium to agree to cooperate) to expose that the government is inflating those Swine Flu numbers. When they test these so-called Swine Flu cases, they are finding that roughly 2% are Swine Flu, while most (80-97% even flu at all)! There are far less Swine Flu cases than regular flu.

They did that in 1976, declaring we were on the brink of an epidemic. They ran their big fear-mongering propaganda, where they made false claims that celebrities such as Mary Tyler Moore got the vaccine. The vaccine killed 25 people and injured several hundred (although 4,000 claims were filed--so maybe thousands were damaged). The flu killed just one person. There was no epidemic.

There is no evidence that flu vaccines work. I even called and emailed the CDC to explain why their own studies published in their own scientific journal, MMWR, showed vaccines to be ineffective, yet they claim it's the #1 way to avoid getting the flu. They were unable to answer me. They have been challenged time and again on very inflated flu death figures.

I know plenty of people who got the flu the year they got a flu shot.

Half of the doctors worldwide would refuse this Swine Flu vaccine. The government granted immunity to vaccine makers so that you can't sue them no matter what happens. This further encouraged the drug companies to not complete safety and efficacy trials on the vaccine!

That's right: They never completed safety or efficacy studies on the vaccine.

Then, the government lifted the limit on the mercury in the vaccine. They warn pregnant mothers not to eat tuna, but now there's no limit to how much of one of the most toxic substances on the planet can be injected into the bloodstream?


Links/Resources

Swine Flu: A Hoax in 1976, a Hoax in 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB5-Y08qbjo

"The government wanted everyone to get vaccinated," Ward said. "But the epidemic never really broke out. It was a threat that never materialized."
What did materialize were cases of a rare side effect thought to be linked to the shot. The unexpected development cut short the vaccination effort -- an unprecedented national campaign -- after 10 weeks.
Los Angeles Times
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/27/science/sci-swine-history27

An exposé of the politics at the time of the government-driven Swine Flu pandemic claims and vaccine efforts. After a number of vaccine-related injuries, the effort was effectively shut down, and the truth emerged: The Great Swine Flu Epidemic of 1976 never took place.—Salon.com
http://www.salon.com/env/feature/2009/04/28/1976_swine_flu/

Only young Lewis died from the swine flu itself in 1976. But as the critics are quick to point out, hundreds of Americans were killed or seriously injured by the inoculation the government gave them to stave off the virus.
http://www.capitalcentury.com/1976.html

“Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder”—NaturalNews
http://www.naturalnews.com/026503_pandemic_swine_flu_bioterrorism.html

New swine flu feared to be weaponized strain
By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4631.shtml

Swine Flu 1976: U.S. government propaganda revisited:
http://vegsource.com/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/r/news/162104664372/

60 Minutes exposé on the 1976 Swine Flu gov. propaganda and cover-ups. Vaccine-induced Guillain-Barre is discussed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro1WL5ketWg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0aIoa97X5k&feature=related


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain-Barr%C3%A9_syndrome
There were reports of GBS affecting some people who had received swine flu immunizations in the 1976 U.S. outbreak of swine flu. Overall, there were about 500 cases of GBS—25 of which resulted in death from severe pulmonary complications—which, according to Dr. P. Haber, were probably caused by an immunopathological reaction to the 1976 swine flu vaccine.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1207270/A-nurses-refu se-swine-flu-jab.html##ixzz0OanacfPZ

The vaccines are far more deadly than the swine flu
by Dr. Mae-Wan Ho and Prof. Joe Cummins
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14869

http://www.pandemicfluonline.com/?cat=24
One in three nurses 'do not want swine flu vaccine'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/18/nurses-swine-flu-vaccin...

Doctors may refuse swine flu vaccine
Several studies suggest up to 60% of GPs would oppose being immunised because they are concerned the safety trials will be rushed
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/aug/24/doctors-refuse-swine-...
UK Polls: Half Of Doctors Will Refuse To Take Swine Flu Shot

Healthcare workers revolt against vaccination while government plans mass immunization programmes
http://www.pandemicfluonline.com/?p=969#more-969

Medical Workers Leery of Flu Vaccine
Washington Post reporting on BMJ survey
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/25/AR2...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32586706/ns/health-swine_flu/

Half of health workers reject swine flu shot
http://www.physorg.com/news170449722.html




The U.S. Committee on Government Reform report, Conflicts of Interest in Vaccine Policy Making, reveals major conflicts of for an entire panel that approved an unsafe vaccine, including one doctor who had a $9 million contract for the vaccine whose safety and approval she was supposed to weigh in on, free from any conflicts of interest. The report concludes that the vaccine safety and approval industry is dominated by vaccine manufacturers and is "out of control." Basically, all the decision-makers in vaccine safety and approvals have huge financial ties to the vaccines and manufacturers, and the FDA and CDC are waiving these conflicts of interest and letting them decide what gets approved anyway.

The report disappeared shortly from the web after it was published, but I had already downloaded a copy, thankfully. Waxman, who had been very outspoken about the risks of vaccines in light of the financial ties, suddenly became quiet on the issue and endorsed vaccinations. Doctors who spoke out against vaccines were thrown out of the medical community (e.g., Wakefield).

“Deadly Immunity,” published in Rolling Stone Magazine reveals how a secret meeting was held to deal with (make disappear) the inconvenient fact that “vaccines—thimerosal —appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children.”

These were “top government scientists and health officials.”
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/

In this report, Kennedy exposes how The CDC paid the Institute of Medicine to conduct a study to whitewash the risks of thimerosal, ordering researchers to “rule out” the chemical's link to autism.

It is widely known in the scientific community that mercury easily crosses the blood-brain barrier and causes the brain neuron degeneration (http://commons.ucalgary.ca/mercury/); in fact if a drop appears on the floor in a school, the school is shut down. However, it is routinely administered as thimerosal to all vaccine recipients nationwide.

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Permalink Reply by Lockheart on November 6, 2009 at 10:04pm

Waste of time writing all that cuz it's BS.

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Permalink Reply by Barron on November 7, 2009 at 12:25am

Hi Rawzilla

Once again you are spot on with the facts and have posted a very well researched and informative post. (You will never get someone like Scorpion to see the truth as he (?) has already made up his mind. As Dr Wayne Dyer so eloquently says, "You'll see it when you believe it.)

Not that Scorpion will be convinced by facts or whatever you or I say or Erin or Thundera or others who have spent (quite obviously) a considerable amount of time doing their own research to get to the facts. In the last year alone i have bought 8 different books on Vaccines, read hundreds of internet articles and joined the pro-choice (informed, educated choice) "Immunisation Awareness Society in New Zealand and subscribe to their newsletter and have bought DVDs and audio CDs on vaccines so i am informed.

I'd encourage Scorpion and others, especially the Pharmaceutical employee, Alex Anthony, to do equal amounts of research.

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Permalink Reply by Kumara on November 7, 2009 at 12:35am

You rock barron

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Permalink Reply by Rawzilla on November 7, 2009 at 8:09pm

Thanks, Barron.

I realize Scorpion probably never saw this stuff before, and I'm sure it is a lot to take in on the spot. I don't even mind that he dismissed me. It's nothing personal.

When I reply to people I keep in mind that there are some 8,000+ members--any number of them potentially reading what I'm sharing. I just share what I believe to be true.

I also know there is a lot of misinformation in the raw food community (some intentional but mostly not); that's fine, that's just how the world is. So I always encourage people to do their own research after I offer what I've got to share. Like you, I spend a lot of time researching to get to the truth.

Barron, you are an excellent source of resources and commentary here on GI2MR. You are a major asset to the discussions. Thank you!

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Permalink Reply by C. B. Alien Worshipper on November 6, 2009 at 10:02pm

claiming that everything on the internet is false internet propaganda seems like a conspiracy theory to me..so in the end I guess it all depends on which "conspiracy theory" makes most sense. People calling people "conspiracy theorists" seems like they insinuating there is a conspiracy against the mainstream "belief". So no matter what we believe we'll end up in something that could be well be called a conspiracy theory.

You believe what makes sense to you and that is okay. for others it may not make sense at all though, for good reasons.

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Permalink Reply by Rawzilla on November 6, 2009 at 10:05pm

And, Scorpion, you totally need to watch this:
http://vimeo.com/7298827

--or else you're not in step with what we are all talking about. You can check all of the sources cited in the video--they include The New England Journal of Medicine, WHO, and other major scientific and public health entities that you probably consider "legitimate."

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