Is it possible to gain weight eating 80/10/10

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Permalink Reply by yoda on November 4, 2009 at 2:47am

Hey Freelee

I apologise if my communication has been offensive to you but I don't see any evidence of this. Yes & I agree its nothing personal.I've not found it offensive, no need to apologise. I just used the same style you were using, you labelled it as 'on the attack', your judgement on what was reflected back to you.

'It seems' is hardly me making a very strong claim yet you felt it was 'on the attack'. Why so insecure?


I can see you think im peddalling my mentoring services here (which is a false assessment)I have no problems with you pedalling or not pedalling your services - it doesn't really matter, though the constant repetition of the multiple web presences you have could be regarded as poor nettiquette on someone else's website. Mentoring services take time and energy, financial compensation for that time and energy should be a fair energy exchange. I was more surprised by your 'by donation' philosophy at the start, if you couldn't put a fair value on your energy, how could you expect anyone else to? You seem to be over that one now.

Is there not a single member, on this board or anywhere else outside of the book that can come to this thread and say 'I cured my Crohn's disease on 80/10/10 following it as presented in the book' or some similar statement about a chronic physical disorder rather than an eating disorder? No-one wants to share a physical issue success story? (I don't consider eating disorders to be a physical condition, they can certainly lead to years of compromised physical recovery, but the actual thing that needs to be fixed is the mind, not the body) The dramatic success stories on 80/10/10 seem to be the weight loss, which are certainly dramatic, and the drug addict/eating disorder mental disorders. Where are the physical cures of those suffering from chronic physical disease from just following the details in the book? Why don't they have any interest in making a testimonial on the benefits for their chronic disease? People are saying diets such as BED etc has helped their chronic conditions. Why are all those that have been helped on 80/10/10 so silent?

As I said before, I have no doubts 80/10/10, as in the book, can work with or without supervision, if someone doesn't have a chronic physical disease (I'm not considering obesity to be a chronic disease, though it can lead to chronic physical diseases). That really is attacking 80/10/10 very strongly, isn't it?
Other than the testimonials from those Doug Graham has supervised, I'm not seeing people curing chronic conditions on 80/10/10, unless they are weight related (eg diabetes, though even that pales in comparison to the Cousens diabetes success rates). Maybe the problem is that there are no sick people on this message board that need to be cured? Though there are a lot of people that have said they weren't cured by 80/10/10, that means there are sick people on this message board, that's right they did it wrong. How can something so right have so little margin for error? What on earth could Doug mean when he says it's the direction not the speed? That getting to 80/10/10 as per the book isn't an instant make over? Heading there is the important thing, not how fast they got to doing it perfectly. It's a process of refining the lifestyle, not a switch - on you're doing 80/10/10, off you're not doing 80/10/10, or you're doing 80/10/10 wrong, which isn't 80/10/10 because 80/10/10 can only be done as perfectly.

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Permalink Reply by Carrie on November 3, 2009 at 12:58am

Even though I get the feeling that I will be judged now and someone will show me my "failure" of doing 811 incorrect I will answer your question Free:

I've done 811 for 8 months, no cooked food, took some supplements in the first weeks, but none for the rest of the time. Very little fat, occasional binging on seeds in the beginning but after some weeks I was very straight with it, most of the time even 955. I ate enough calories, I tried to combine properly.
I don't own the book and I didn't follow 811 to the letter cuz I didn't exercise. Simply because I had absolutely NO energy to do so. I always felt stuffed. My thyreoid numbers worsened and my thyreoid even grew. My hirsutism got extremely worse. My teeth got extremely worse. I had no energy at all. My hair fell out even more. The fat around my waist stayed, I felt bloated most of the time.
Now with very low fruit, yes, I lose weight and yes you're probably right, it's mostly water (I'm peeing the hell out of me) but if you ask me it cannot be healthy carrying so much water around because I was puffy. That isn't healthy. Also my skin was very dried out on 811 and I felt very dehydrated. Now even though I lose all that water weight I don't feel so dehydrated anymore, my skin isn't so dry anymore.

I'm in a german health forum which is mainly about amalgam problems and it is well known that people having mercury toxicity can't handle high carb mainly because their body is under BIG stress. I think stress is a big factor. Maybe some can reduce the stress level even with amalgam but it's hard. And no, I cannot see that the fat I'm eating now causes me stress. It is always recommended to people who have adrenal problems to eat low carb and higher fat.

The book says that you have to exercise a lot, sleep a lot and drink a lot. I think that is because you have to burn off the sugar (so that it doesn't convert into fat), relax from the stress (that the sugar created on your blood sugar levels) and dilute the sugars. Of course that way 811 works and if you leave out one factor it doesn't work. BUT the question is - is it necessary? I don't want to exercise as if I would train for a marathon every day. Sure, I want to exercise and I feel that on a low carb diet I have so much more energy to do so, but not in excess. Maybe I also don't want to sleep and drink so much. Some raw foodists say they need less sleep and still feel so energetic. Well, if my diet requires that I have to sleep so much, then maybe that diet isn't so right?

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Permalink Reply by Carrie on November 3, 2009 at 1:19am

BTW that leads me to my old amalgam question (and I know some of you are already bored of this but I have studied this topic for a long time now): to all of those who struggled on 811 - do or did you have amalgam fillings AND did your mother had them too when she was pregnant with you?
Mercury toxicity leads to adrenal/thyreoid/insuline problems and it is recommended to eat low carb/high protein then. I have learned that some people don't have problems with their amalgam fillings, and the people who do are mainly children whose mother had amalgam fillings too. So most of the time only the second generation develops problems.
That's why I would be interested.

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Permalink Reply by Kait on November 3, 2009 at 4:12pm

Carrie-my mom had lots of amalgam, but I've also had +/-10 annual flu shots in the first 15 year of my life. Not sure if my health issues are mercury related though. A regular healthcare center should be able to test for mercury levels right? I'll get some tests done when my insuranc kicks in.
I blame most of my health probs on lots of shots and growing up near commercial farmland. Also, competitive waterskiing defined my entire childhood till I was 18, always in special man-made private lakes filled with stagnant practically run-off water that were actually dyed blue. I don't know what I'm stirring up each time I detox, but it's some nasty feeling stuff. Maybe that's why despite my slow metab I have to eat lots/spread out my meals or my stomach will start churning and will start to feel hungry.I've been needing a log fast for quite some time, I plan to do a supervised one for a few weeks after I change jobs again in just over a month, after that will likely give 811another go. In the meantime I'm mostly eating blended fruit and green juice cause my head is just not pressurizing as it should
so I've had migraines all week.
Freelea-I'll get back to you(and this thread) on my 811 history when I'm at my laptop, either tonight or tomorrow morning, so I can look up old food journals and such:-) but to answer briefly, my longest stretch of 100% 811 as defined by the book was about 3 months. It was suuuper easy when I lived in a town where there were Farmers markets every other day and lots of org and exotic produce shops, will be moving back there next spring/summer though:-)

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Permalink Reply by Freelee on November 3, 2009 at 4:52pm

Cool thankyou so much Kait, I find clarity is important in reaching an accurate result :)

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Permalink Reply by Freelee on November 3, 2009 at 1:31am

Firstly can I say THANKYOU for answering the quesition.

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Permalink Reply by Freelee on November 3, 2009 at 1:52am

Carrie were you 100% without any salt,seaweed,tamari,braggs,chilli etc for the entire 8months? I mean not even a taste of salt as this is a massive fluid-retainer.

I remember your journey towards 811 as you put it on 30BaD, I also remember you slipping back & forth on cooked food, did u not? I remember many times you were undereating also, we will always fall into lots of nuts & cooked food if we are doing this. Sorry correct me if im wrong.

I'm suprised that you didn't own the book either, wouldn't it make sense to own the manual if you desire to do it properly? Im glad you are honest in saying that you didn't do it to the letter. How can we possibly do it correctly if we don't have the manual?

It is always recommended to people who have adrenal problems to eat low carb and higher fat No not always....unfortunately we just can't sustain that program long term, why? because when we take the fuel (glucose) out of the car(our bodies) then where is the energy going to come from? Sure energy is made during sleep but we still need sufficient amounts of carbohydrates coming in or else we fail to thrive long term.

The book says that you have to exercise a lot, sleep a lot and drink a lot
- I have a copy of the book & it says we need sufficient sleep, exercise & water, nothing about doing LOTS of these things.

I don't want to exercise as if I would train for a marathon every day
- No way I don't want to exercise like that either & I don't ! I do a jog every second day of about 6kms & ride my bike around 20-30kms easy other days. I still stay in shape & feel great. The book doesn't say we have to train for a marathon everyday, that's why its great to read the book.

When I first got into 811 it did take me a little while to shift the weight... but that's because I wasn't doing it the way it was ment to be done I would have too much fat & also irritating foods things like shallots, onions, mushrooms & chilli, all these foods cause fluid retention.

Salt is a big factor in fluid retention/weight gain & this has to be eliminated (which is part of 811's prescription)

I actually still have my amalgam, I had a mainstream test done a few years back that said I had high mercury levels, my health is fantastic. I honestly don't have any complaints, especially not chronic fatigue syndrome (which i overcame on 811)

I understand your concerns Carrie, there is a lot of roads u can take but only one leads to paradise.

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Permalink Reply by Carrie on November 3, 2009 at 2:06am

Hi Free,
no salt, seaweed whatsoever over that period. And you know what? Now I'm eating seaweed again and I'm losing that water weight.
No, I didn't slip back between cooked and raw, I was 100% raw for that 8 months. I still am by the way, just with low fruit.
I didn't have the money to buy the book but I thought with all the info on 30BaD and Vegsource I had enough information.
When I said I didn't do it to the letter I meant that the only factor was that I didn't exercise enough. And that was because I had NO energy to do so while now I gain energy.
Believe me I really wanted it to work but there seem to be individual factors that inhibits 811 for some persons. BUT why do you see this as a problem? As long as the person is thriving on another diet, why is there the need to go 811? I don't believe that there is only one way that leads to paradise, that is a bit ignorant.
Thanks for answering the amalgam question. Since you had high levels, you seem to be a good excreter. I am a bad excreter so maybe all the fruit just stirs up the mercury and I cannot get it out. I am pretty sure that when I have detoxed further (I will start chelating again with chlorella & Co) I will be able to handle more fruit again (like I have read from other amalgam victims).

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Permalink Reply by Freelee on November 3, 2009 at 2:14am

hey Carrie, thanks.
I believe the LFRV lifestyle is for everyone & I know it works for everyone done correctly. I remember you saying that you wanted to get back to the lifestyle earlier in the thread? Maybe I was mistaken?
I'm suprised you say you did it to the letter when u didn't even have the letter? :)There is way more info in the book than there is on 30BaD or even vegsource, its incredible & so useful but only if you read it.

Yes, I remember you wanted to make it work I do & Im sure I could assist you in getting there like I do with peeps everyday .

Regarding losing the water weight, if we eat insufficient carbs, our body turns to the glycogen stored in our
liver & muscles. There is approx 2.7gms of water stored with each gram of carbohydrates so when we deplete our body's glycogen it results in an overnight weightloss of more than 3pounds of water & glycogen. Once there is no longer glycogen to burn, the body will turn to stored fat, which then creates ketones (which have a diuretic effect) on our kidneys, which leads to more water loss so Its easy to see where the 'weightloss' is coming from....but its unhealthy to be in this state too long & also its not sustainable long term

One thing I would appreciate is that you get back to me after a few months doing what you are doing now, could u do that? Actually what does a day of your eating look like?

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Permalink Reply by Carrie on November 3, 2009 at 2:20am

Hi Free,
so what more information is in the book that isn't on 30BaD or Vegsource?
I mean I saw people on 30BaD thriving on this diet who did quite the same as I did. They thrived, I didn't.
Yeah I wanted it to work for me because it's such a yummy diet and it made sense and all. But it doesn't work for me right now. Yeah maybe some day I'm able to come back but right now it has been a catastrophy to my health, and I honestly even regret that I have taken that road.
I don't want to give it another try right now, thanks.
Right now I'm eating only a few apples and berries and HUGE salads with some fat like avocado. I'm far from perfect, in the end it's all just a journey but I see longterm raw foodist not doing 811 and thriving so I don't have concerns that this way isn't possible.

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Permalink Reply by Freelee on November 3, 2009 at 2:38am

Hey Carrie,
so what more information is in the book that isn't on 30BaD or Vegsource?
You will have to get the book or i will be writing here all day....

Thanks for sharing what you are eating, sounds like about 800calories, I hope this can sustain you Carrie, best of luck & I hope to hear that you have found a stable eating program in the future.

I have to agree it is very yummy to eat this way..

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Permalink Reply by Rawgreengoddess on November 3, 2009 at 2:27am

Carrie~sweetheart..never EVER feel judged because you are doing something a different way to another,getting through ill health sucks,its tough,its frustrating and i understand...

find your way,keep doing what you are doing dont bounce from one thing to another if you can avoid it....do high fruit and low fat and stick with it,or do low fruit,moderate fat high greens and stick with it,for at least 3 months.i always like to do a way of eating for at least 12 months to give it a good go.big love to you girl xo

ps i have lost 6 kilos in the last 6 weeks since changing my eating ;)

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