Is it possible to gain weight eating 80/10/10

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Permalink Reply by Freelee on November 3, 2009 at 1:19am

haha thanks for sharing Yods. I like your assumptions too. The facts are out there if you would like to check out the validity of my claims? I'm merely bringing the science to the table like everyone else is attempting to do in this discussion ....You seem to have some time on your hands :)

Doug Graham readily admits that not all people can thrive on LFRV unless they deal with underlying issues first, and dealing with underlying issues can mean cooked, etc,
- really? Where does Dr D recommend cooked food is best for healing?

adrenal issues/digestive issues/malabsorption issues/etc
- hate to break it to you but this is why most peeps come to Low fat raw vegan, to cure these conditions.

There is a lot more to 80/10/10 than LFRV
- what do u mean? LFRV is a lifestyle which includes adequate sunshine,sleep,fresh air,great attitude etc, but most of all its about diet & getting it right.

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Permalink Reply by yoda on November 3, 2009 at 1:57am

Doug Graham readily admits that not all people can thrive on LFRV unless they deal with underlying issues first, and dealing with underlying issues can mean cooked, etc,
- really? Where does Dr D recommend cooked food is best for healing?I don't have the time to go view the Doug Graham videos on youtube, but it's in a few of them, not so much that cooked is best, but that going full speed to LFRV might not be best, I think the candida one he did with the Boutenkos had some mention about it, though I may be mistaken, it's a fairly common theme through his videos if you are prepared to hear it - going 100% LFRV might not be the best idea for people with underlying issues..

adrenal issues/digestive issues/malabsorption issues/etc
- hate to break it to you but this is why most peeps come to Low fat raw vegan, to cure these conditions.Please show me where I said that wasn't the reason. Just because people try 80/10/10 to cure their conditions doesn't mean it works. People try the cookie diet or whatever in the hope it works. We've got so many people here saying they have those issues and they had trouble with 80/10/10. Please show us all the people with those same issues that came to 80/10/10 and did find a cure, people that have been doing 80/10/10 for over a year properly.

There is a lot more to 80/10/10 than LFRV
- what do u mean? LFRV is a lifestyle which includes adequate sunshine,sleep,fresh air,great attitude etc, but most of all its about diet & getting it right.
Sorry, I thought 80/10/10 was the lifestyle and LFRV was the style of eating that followed 80/10/10 guidelines. Is it meant to be the other way round? Or is neither term meant to be a style of eating? If they are both lifestyles, what is the difference between LFRV and 80/10/10?

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Permalink Reply by Freelee on November 3, 2009 at 4:48pm

I may not have a PHD in Science but I do have a PHD in getting results for myself & others.

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Permalink Reply by yoda on November 3, 2009 at 8:57pm

gee that was rather a random statement, trying some distraction techniques from some questions?
I appreciate how you have taken the time to answer questions such as "what is the difference between LFRV and 80/10/10?" The non-response has been very enlightening, it seems fairly basic questions are too difficult. Clarity can be so important in reaching an understanding. I also appreciate all the thriving examples you've provided of long term 811er that have managed to cure their adrenal issues/digestive issues/malabsorption issues/etc on 80/10/10. It's been very enlightening the sheer volume of so many thriving examples.



Why oh why does it feel like some sloganeering one liner is being channelled by Freelee? References to PhDs sound like insecurities and delusions of grandeur all rolled up in the one rap (intended)


PS I don't have PhD, nor do I claim to have a PhD in anything. Any non-lurker reading this got a PhD in Science?

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Permalink Reply by Rawzilla on November 3, 2009 at 9:07pm

No PhD here. Just my own experience with a diet that works (not 811), my friendships with people who did do 811 and other high-fruit diets that got them sick, and the ability to read over the countless posts of when 811 failed. Teeth especially.

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Permalink Reply by Freelee on November 3, 2009 at 9:57pm

Hey Yoda,I try my best to get to every reply but as you can see im swamped with peeps interested in the LFRV lifestyle!!. So the question is what's the difference between 811 & LFRV? there isn't any I just like to use both terms. Satisfied?

Maybe if you gave 811 a go & actually read the book you would see numerous testimonials of peeps who have healed a wide range of 'disorders' on 811, that were brought about by their poor lifestyle choices. I personally have healed my acne, chronic fatigue syndrome, digestive disorders (from poor food choices), eating disorders - bulimina, anorexia.

What is your prescription for a healthy healing diet yoda? Cooked food, supplements & meat?

You seem to really be on the attack which is unfortunate.

Hey Rawz, how long did you do 100% LFRV? Oh that's right you didn't.

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Permalink Reply by Rawzilla on November 3, 2009 at 10:02pm

Oh, that's right, you have been falsely answering your own questions to me and making false assumptions about my diet since we began our exchange! Carry on, as usual.

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Permalink Reply by Freelee on November 3, 2009 at 10:14pm

Its nothing personal Rawz, I would just like to clarify to peeps that if we do our own version of 811, we are not actually doing 811

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Permalink Reply by Rawgreengoddess on November 4, 2009 at 1:59am

it is important to get clarity of what people are eating,when we do make claims this i agree with..

its also important to respect each other on whatever direction we are going to ultimate health and wellness eating raw foods..

Like i said to Free today,for her and i,we are going in the same direction(all raw foods to ultimate health and vitality and joyfullness)yet on completely different paths..

high fruit doesnt work for me,thats not to say it doesnt work for some people~just as low fruit doesnt work for some,yet it works for me and many others...its great to gather information from one another and to learn and grow respectfully,whether we agree with anothers point of view,or not..xo

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Permalink Reply by Rawzilla on November 4, 2009 at 4:33pm

That's correct, Freelee. Other versions of 811 aren't 811. I am SO glad I did not do 811--but the high-fruit diet I was on did enough damage! No matter how you package a high-fruit diet, you are hosting a nice big feast for the yeasties!! Anyway, there are plenty of people here who didn't do well on 811, including RGG. So many discussions are in the archives (and even yesterday's active discussions) about tooth decay and worse on 811.

Speaking of claims, Doug Graham suggests that you have to deal with your health issues before any diet can help you, and that nothing works if there's underlying issues. Say what?! Didn't so many of us turn to healthy diets to deal with those issues?

I guess 811 isn't for everyone.

I hope, since 811 can't help your underlying issues, he doesn't accept clients who have any! He should redirect them to other diet plans that are designed to heal illness (underlying issues), like the Body Ecology Diet (not to say that is the ONLY way though, lol!). That way, we can go deal with our adrenal fatigue and such on a healing diet before getting into a bigger mess, lol.

If I read that disclaimer in The Body Ecology Diet, I wouldn't have read another word.

Anyway, you don't have to spend so much energy chasing after everyone who said this diet didn't work for them; as Doug Graham implies with the underlying issues, the diet isn't for everyone. Just read this site, lol! Just remember there are diets out there that are designed to work for everyone.

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Permalink Reply by yoda on November 3, 2009 at 11:03pm

I have read the book, I'm not interested in supplements, cooked food or meat. Oh actually, I am interested in the results people get on the varying methods, I just don’t do any of those things myself, I don’t think someone doing something differently to me is doing it wrong. I’m not trying to make money out of what I do so I don’t bother making a song and dance about it. Nor am I particularly interested in stories in a book about all the cures, the stories were compiled by Doug Graham, with his more subtle appreciation of the differences in people, I'm not surprised he gets results as described in the book. I generally ascribe to the theory if the source of information is available you get your information from as close to that source as you can, keeping up to date with their latest information and understanding, if you are interested. It’s too easy for followers to get stuck with some old book that does not reveal all the necessary details (either intentionally or lacking due to new research) and forget where the information really can be found. Information is not stagnant, one book is not the answer. Fundamentalists will disagree with that statement. All of Doug Graham's books cannot provide all the information he has at this time. He seems to me to continually expanding on what he knows and developing his approach.

So we’ve got one person you can name that has overcome digestive issues, yourself, though your digestive issues sound more eating disorder related than actually digestive system, a weak digestive system isn’t really a ‘disorder’, it’s something that can be built up, like muscles can be strengthened through exercise, it seems 80/10/10/ was enough to build up your system, that’s great. Your digestive system has responded well to stretching and being pushed. Is there any person on this message board that has ‘cured’ adrenal issues/digestive issues/malabsorption issues/etc beyond. I am sure anyone that gets their adrenal issues/digestive issues/malabsorption issues/etc sorted out before attempting the diet side of 80/10/10 will have a system that is strong enough to cope with such stretching and pushing. It’s just that following the book does not seem to sort out serious underlying issues, it seems you need to have some serious consultations with someone that actually understands what's going on to get past serious issues..

If you're receiving my posts as 'on the attack', it's only because I am mirroring back at you the style of communication you have been addressing me, and most of the others that have said they don't agree with 80/10/10 for all. It's nothing personal. If you can't believe that I am not on the attack, maybe you should look to your own posts first?

80/10/10 can work in a well system. 80/10/10 correctly supervised can work in a compromised system, the issue is following the book 100% is not 'correctly supervised'. The book DOES NOT cover every single aspect of how to do 80/10/10 for every single individual, no book can. The book is a guide that will work for some people, the book is a guide that will NOT work for some people.

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Permalink Reply by Freelee on November 3, 2009 at 11:23pm

Hey Yoda,

I didn't actually have a 'weak' digestive system as you put it, more accurately I had a 'compromised' digestive system...why? It was compromised by eating foods that are health-destroyers. Do you agree diet plays a massive part in the health & efficiency of our digestive system? A 'disordered' digestive system means its compromised/not working 'in order' in my interpretation. When we eat foods that irritate our digestive system it doesn't matter if our muscles are strong or not.

it’s just that following the book does not seem to sort out serious underlying issues
- I don't see how anyone can make this claim until they have followed the book 100%? I also haven't been presented with anyone who actually owned the book & has followed the book except RGG, I knew her personally ( & still do) during her time on 811 & she was thriving.

I apologise if my communication has been offensive to you but I don't see any evidence of this. Yes & I agree its nothing personal.

811 can & does work with or without supervision. I can see you think im peddalling my mentoring services here (which is a false assessment) to tell you the truth I don't have anymore room for clients, Im 'booked out' u could say. I recently turned a member down from GITMR just the other day due to my busy schedule, truth is I know how to get results for those ready to receive. I practice what I preach & peeps who know me will vouch for this, I feel this is an important trait to have if you are going to teach others success in any area.

Will work for everyone. Buy it, read it, implement it & then we can talk about the virtues on the diet.

Lovefreelee

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