HIV=Aids Myth

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Permalink Reply by Ben on January 5, 2009 at 10:21am

Here is a link to Duesberg on a quick blurb about his take on HIV and Aids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vxf7be0XWY

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Permalink Reply by Ben on January 5, 2009 at 10:35am

Cool thank you.

What about the other aids researchers and nobel prize winning scientists who question the hypothosis?

For instance

Rebecca V Culshaw http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/culshaw1.html

And the list of scientists found at http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/index.htm

I'm not sure if you are into channeling, but a well known channel for cosmic awareness states similar information, that hiv is not the cause of aids.

The article can be found here http://www.skepticfiles.org/skeptic/aware419.htm towards the bottom.

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Permalink Reply by Chris Carlton on January 5, 2009 at 10:47am

Great book on this subject...
What if everything you thought you knew about AIDS WAS WRONG?
by Christine Maggiore

check out this webpage from Zoe's older website...
It's got lots of good info... Click on each of the fishes for more info.
http://www.thelighthousewebworld.com/aids.htm
http://www.aliveandwell.org/

The most shocking part is how if you look at the results, those HIV+ who take AIDS drugs die and those who don't take the drugs, live. Also how many are never re-tested even when 2nd tests often are negative.

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Permalink Reply by Ben on January 5, 2009 at 10:49am

Thank you,

Another website I have done research on is http://www.aliveandwell.org/.

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Permalink Reply by Meditating on January 5, 2009 at 8:57pm

Chris, I am unfamiliar with the publication you cited, but dividing HIV+ and/or AIDS patients into the groups that live and don't take medications -vs- those who take medications and die can only produce a skewed result and lead to a flawed analysis. .

There are different strains of HIV and the more aggressive strains require the most pharmaceutical intervention and have the highest death rates. The purpose of an anti-viral is to stop the virus from replicating such that it overwhelms the immune system. Most notably, while some HIV+ patients will need to take anti-virals depending on their HIV strain and personal physical condition, those whose status has progressed to AIDS will benefit from anti-virals. The fact that the HIV progressed into AIDS means their system is unable to fight off the virus. AIDS kills people but HIV does not. It is erroneous to assume that those who are HIV+ have the same health status as those who have full blown AIDS. It is almost like saying those who have a high risk of getting cancer but don't take cancer treatment will live longer than those who do have cancer and receive cancer treatment.

Another problem with those studies, based on how you identified the groups, would be the inclusion of Long-term non-progressors (LTNP), which are a class of HIV+ patients who, for whatever reason, HIV does not progress into AIDS despite the absence of anti-virals. I believe this is the status of Magic Johnson. This patient class is being researched due to their unique ability to keep HIV from replicating and later becoming AIDS. The reason is yet undiscovered but could be genetic or even environmental, but we just don't know. They don't die from AIDS and there are tens of thousands of them. Including LTNPs in a statistical analysis ignores the differences in HIV+ patients and their individual responses to the virus.

My sister is an optometrist who for years has volunteered at the local AIDS clinic. I know she cares about her patients deeply and we have discussed her mission to help them live the best life possible. She has seen a significant increase in both the quality and length of life for those who need anti-virals and gain access to them. While I too am suspicious of any government sponsored reports, I am sure her observations are genuine and can be relied upon.

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Permalink Reply by Chris Carlton on January 5, 2009 at 9:05pm

The book I cited is only one of many, at least 35 or 40 current in publication for sure. I've not got the list but it's easily found.

You don't think that Doctors sit around talking about how what they do doesn't work, do you? Everyone believes in what they do or they are insane. Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees.

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Permalink Reply by Meditating on January 6, 2009 at 9:12pm

How could either of your responses affect whether or not the groups you identified are a proper analysis of whether or not prescribing AIDS patients anti-viral medications hastens their deaths?

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Permalink Reply by Meditating on January 8, 2009 at 5:52pm

In your post below you cite this book as a "sensible" source for your comment below that no disease can be transmitted and that AIDS is a "myth." My dear Xerxes, it really is not my intention to respond to your remarks for the sole purpose of being unkind. Having said that, the assertion that microbal infestations, including HIV, can never be transmitted is hand down the most ridiculous claim I have heard in a long time.

Sexually transmitted diseases are dubbed such because they are in fact sexually transmitted. Absent sexual contact, unhealthy children don't spontaneously come down with the Clap.

I have volunteered for years advocating for abused women and children. Many of these victims were raped. The crime of rape has different elements than assault and battery with intent to kill, which is the appropriate charge arising from those who intentionally infect another with HIV. One way to prove specific HIV transmission during a sexual assault is via a DNA test. Just like all other living organisms, bacteria, viruses, and fungi have identifiable DNA.

One case that immediately comes to mind is a 12 year old girl that Social Services removed from her home amidst allegations of physical abuse. As a precaution, she was submitted for blood tests to check for all STDs including HIV. All test were negative and her physical exam confirmed she was not sexually active. While the investigation was being completed the child was placed in foster care where 3 days later she was sexually assaulted by her HIV+ foster father who ravaged her so violently any layperson could detect her injuries through a visual inspection. The legitimacy of her assault was not in question. The perpetrator had a strain of HIV resulting from two other strains that had hybridized into a new and unique strain that, until this case, was undocumented by the CDC. The child tested positive thereafter for the same, rare HIV strain, confirmed by virus DNA. She died two years ago as a result. Based on your comments below, you would believe this child did not contract this rare HIV strain from her assailant but instead suffered from "accumulated waste" and any suggestion to the contrary is "fear-mongering."

Out of respect for the pledge I signed when joining the site, I can't make any further comment.

There is a tendency for those who get turned on to non-conventional diet or medical treatments to go way over the edge and assume, without any reasonable provocation whatsoever as they fly in the face of common sense, that all conventional treatments are bad, all doctors injure patients solely for the money, and all actions taken in the course of conventional medicine are part of a great conspiracy. I would concur with these statements in very limited scenarios, but it is absurd to think they are universal facts.

While I do believe that it is more important to read the opinions of those with whom you disagree and that emphasis on the body's terrain as a bar to disease should exceed conventional thought, entertaining the notion that microbal invasions are always benign is the equivalent of contemplating once again that the world is flat. To call either one foolish would be a euphemism at best.

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Permalink Reply by Clement on January 8, 2009 at 6:59pm

That's a very well-written response, meditating.

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Permalink Reply by Mogwai on January 5, 2009 at 1:45pm

I think due to many gay men depleting themselves with a bit to much sex, drugs and rock and roll then a dis-ease can well take root...but that does expalin the African epidemic. If your system isnt in top notch condition then the virus , bacteris tc whihc is sloshing about can then take advantage so HIV will cause AIDS when and if the bosy is suspetible...as with any disease in the body, give it a chance and it will attack and thrive.

Those with HIV also have a high tendency to have syphillis and other STIs, thrush and other disease that attacke a low immune system.

So word to the wise....keep very very fit and healthy and you system should not fall under the attack of whatever disease that its aquired...if you lose that then BAM !...your in trouble.

So safe sex for everyone... as you dont want to pass on a possible cause of disease to someone else whose immune system isnt as strong.

I have known people die from AIDs an they all had HIV...so please dont tell me that it wasnt that that was the cataylst.

respect yourself and others and STOs of all kinds wont be prevelant...I am still here and never had an STI, and I was around in the 1080s when eople where dying like flies.

This generation have no idea or concelt of the suffering, and when i see the arrogance of barebaking etc I just feel like screaming at them....

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Permalink Reply by Ben on January 5, 2009 at 3:36pm

It is not surprising that AIDS is so common among the gay population.

We are also the pro ported highest users and abusers of recreation of drugs.

So it wouldn't be a shock to see gay men die from aids, which is causes by toxic levels of drug use.

What I do not agree with is to say, in the same sentence, that they died from hiv.

This has to do with correlation and causality. Just because hiv is correlated to aids, doesn't mean it causes aids.

The Africa epidemic of aids is related to malnutrition, not hiv.

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Permalink Reply by Mogwai on January 5, 2009 at 3:57pm

I agree, but the germ the bacteria the viral load etc thats the thing thats the catalyst that opens up when the body is at its lowest, just as you say via drugs can be a route and malnutrition is another, although the africans I have meet dont look like they have malnutrition ....so I am not sure what they have or dont that casues the flip over.....maybe malaria r some other diseae that interacts as many with TB also have HIV and then die from and AID disease.....so who knows ????

I also know a few guys who have HIV and are healthy from the early 1990s ...so ...like all diseaeses not everyone goes on to contract the later stages, its hasnt been sparked off ..the HIV catalyst has stayed dormont.

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