Good Resource on Raw Vegan Protein?????!

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Permalink Reply by Sharon Jones on October 24, 2009 at 4:00pm

tim vanorden speaks a lot about the protein subject. he beleives that protein does not need to be consumed as a food group.

he says we get 'proteins' from the amino acids in our fruits and veggies.

all this from a prolific athlete. and he looks great!

look him up it could be the info you want.

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Permalink Reply by AwesomeUniverse!!! on October 24, 2009 at 4:03pm

ok great!

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Permalink Reply by Danny on October 26, 2009 at 9:05pm

he says we get 'proteins' from the amino acids in our fruits and veggies.

Proteins are made up of amino acids.
One particularly important function is as the building blocks of proteins, which are linear chains of amino acids

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Permalink Reply by John E. Viitanen on October 24, 2009 at 4:28pm

Right up my alley. That would be an hemp seed, regarded by food comparison charts as the richest source of protein. Not only that but the perfect balance of Omega 3 and Omega 6 fatty acids for human consumption. The hemp hearts have the shell removed so they just don't have the fiber content the whole seed has. Good luck in finding the whole seed though. Your local health food store will only be able to get the hemp hearts if you want it raw. I referenced this from the Manitoba Harvest web site and other places I can't recall, but oh well that's a start in the right direction Awesome Universe, and my excuse why the Boom Boom Baby book is taking so long to compile and complete.

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Permalink Reply by AwesomeUniverse!!! on October 26, 2009 at 9:14pm

Thank you John and Danny!

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Permalink Reply by alex anthony on October 24, 2009 at 4:48pm

i personally take rice protein - which is not considered a complete protein so it needs to be combined with another protein source. mine is cashews - i do 50 grams of a rice protein cashew smoothie twice a day (25 gms in morning - 25 before sleep).

i use the nutribiotic brand of brown rice protein. it's raw and organic. they ground the rice into a powder and use plant enzymes to separate the carbs from the protein. that's it.

soy protein is considered a complete protein but i understand why many avoid soy. lalanne is a big fan of soy protein - he takes 50 grams a day of the stuff and he's 95.

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Permalink Reply by Saz on October 24, 2009 at 5:16pm

Ditto to he Nutribiotic brown rice protein. Love that stuff in smoothies.

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Permalink Reply by Kait on October 24, 2009 at 5:34pm

What's the diff between nutribiotic and sun warrior, if any?

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Permalink Reply by alex anthony on October 24, 2009 at 5:55pm

interestingly enough the sun warrior stuff has stabilizers and fillers in it - the nutribiotic brand does not (my nutribiotic vanilla lists two ingredients: rice protein cultivated enzymatically from organic long grain brown rice, and vanilla). the nutribiotic brand uses plant enzymes to digest the carbs in the brown rice which leaves the protein behind - unprocessed and raw.

sun warrior has something on its site about biofermentation which increases the amount of lysine available in the final product. rice is extremely low in lysine - this is why indigenous cultures always paired rice with another plant based protein (rice and beans is a complete protein - rice and most veggies is a complete protein). so it's highly unlikely that they have magically increased the natural yield of lysine... unless they are "processing" the protein - enzymatically or using heat (proteins can be "denatured" using heat - changed from one amino to another). this to me means that if they are honest about having some magical high lysine count, their protein is not raw. If their protein is raw - it would have low amounts of lysine - as the nutribiotic brand does - so they might be adding lysine after the fact and claiming otherwise. in either case, lying manufacturers tend to not get my money.

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Permalink Reply by Ryan V. on October 24, 2009 at 8:23pm

http://sunwarrior.com/product-information/protein.html

I know the owner personally and have talked with him about the product. I sensed a very high level of integrity and a genuine desire to make the best product possible in terms of health and ethics. He's a body builder and using it himself.

I find it interesting that you take a guilty until proven innocent approach.

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Permalink Reply by alex anthony on October 24, 2009 at 10:48pm

no i don't take a guilty until proven innocent approach. i have a degree in chemistry and a background in organic chemistry in particular. what he says on his website doesn't make sense. he's lying one way or another. rice is not a complete protein (ratios of lysine too low) and to claim it is means lysine's been added or you've chemically processed (enzymatically, thermally or otherwise) the other aminos in the profile to convert into lysine. He mentions none of this on his site and gives no pertinent details of his "biofermentation" process.

as i posted, there's a reason almost all indigenous cultures pair rice with another plant protein source - even they recognized it as an incomplete amino acid profile source. that science didn't just change because these guys magically said it did.

i'm not one of those people who can be convinced by other people's words. people lie all the time - numbers don't. i'm glad you're convinced of his integrity by your conversations with him but his science doesn't jive at all. as i like to micromanage what i put in my body as much as possible i find his explanation of his process insufficient and not totally honest for my needs as a consumer.

here's an example of what research plant biologists are undergoing to enhance the lysine content of rice - which affirms that rice - UNPROCESSED RICE - is insufficient in ratios of lysine:

Poster: Metabolic Engineering

Abs # P39009: Engineering feedback insensitive enzymes in the lysine synthetic pathway of rice

Presenter: Yu, Wai Han Contact Presenter
Authors Yu, Wai Han (A) Sun, Sai Ming Samuel (A)
Affiliations: (A): The Chinese University of Hong Kong

Rice is nutritionally unbalanced for its deficiency in certain essential amino acids especially lysine. Aspartate kinase (AK) and dihydrodipicolinate synthase (DHPS) are the two key enzymes involved in the synthesis of lysine. Both enzymes are feedback sensitive to lysine. Previous studies have identified AK and DHPS enzymes feedback insensitive to lysine from natural mutants in Corynebacterium glutamicum, Escherichia coli, barley and maize. However, no such natural mutant has been identified in rice. To enhance the free lysine content in rice through metabolic engineering, we are attempting to modify the lysine binding domain in genes encoding AK and DHPS for insensitivity to lysine feedback inhibition. The modified AK and DHPS genes were introduced into Japonica rice under the control of seed-specific Gt1 promoter to generate transgenic rice plants. Free lysine content in transgenic rice seeds will be analyzed and compared with the wild type rice. Progress and results from this study will be presented and discussed (This research has been supported by the UGC-AoE Center for Plant and Agricultural Biotechnology grant and the PVMR project grant of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation).

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Permalink Reply by AwesomeUniverse!!! on October 24, 2009 at 10:52pm

wow that's good to know! Would you mind explaining further??!!!

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