Flu/H1N1 Vaccination

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Permalink Reply by RainEdayWoman on October 2, 2009 at 5:27pm

I highly suggest going to this thread and scroll down to page 3 where I started posting specifically on the dangers of the H1N1 vaccine. Also, if you go to mothering.com and go to their forums to the non-vaccination forums there is a wealth of information on the topic.

http://www.giveittomeraw.com/forum/topics/vaccines-sterilizes-3-mil...

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Permalink Reply by Lillika on October 2, 2009 at 5:58pm

They weren't concerened about this flu when I was pregnant but I refused everything else. You just have to really listen to your own gut whatever it may be.

The guilt was easy to get through when I really tuned into what I knew and felt was right.

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Permalink Reply by Zoe on October 2, 2009 at 6:35pm

my dad's a doctor, so is my brother who is a heart surgeon, and my mum is a nurse, believe me, the things they tell me would cure your fear of disobeying your doctor ;)
I talk about this kind of stuff to them when I see them, thought not your specific example, and they are so in agreement with everything I say about drugs, pharmaceutical companies and diet being the core of good health. They always brought me up to question what doctors say, because they know from first hand that so much of what doctors say is based on politics, drug companies propaganda and having to reach certain percentages of compliance for their various jabs.
UK raw fooder Shazzie had a raw pregnancy and is bringing up her child as raw as she can, she has a book called Evie's Kitchen which I have heard is really excellent for raw mums, and mums to be. Also Jinjee has 5 raw pregnancies and babies, here's her website - www.thegardendiet.com no vaccinations there either.
I have never heard of flu being harmful to an unborn child though anyway. Are you talking about normal flu or swine flu?

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Permalink Reply by Barron on October 2, 2009 at 7:24pm

Hiya

You'll probably find all the answers you are after here: www.theflucase.com and here www.fluscam.com

Cheers

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Permalink Reply by Sarah on October 2, 2009 at 9:52pm

Thank you all for the links. I'll read them thoroughly. :) And yes, both the 'regular' flu and the swine flu shots - they say pregnant women are more susceptible and, therefore, die at higher rates. I get such a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach even thinking of the shots, though, and my instincts are rarely wrong.

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Permalink Reply by Angus on October 2, 2009 at 10:32pm

Don't get too scared though. A lot of women who would take the vaccine would be very happy doing so. This sort of ignorant happiness is what you need to achieve, while not having the vaccine.

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Permalink Reply by Zoe on October 2, 2009 at 10:48pm

such a good point!

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Permalink Reply by Jef on October 2, 2009 at 10:08pm

What came to my mind was, if you are going to a doctor that you have to suck up to and smile and nod, who scares you about needing a flu shot then maybe looking for someone a bit more in your camp would be helpful? Do you really want to be in labor, with someone at your side that you might need to argue with at the last minute, while dealing with labor? I never realized my huge need for support, until my 3rd child....I had 2 C sections, then finally realized I could only trust myself, and chose to have a home birth for my 3rd, with 8 women helping, including 2 midwives, 2 doulas, 2 friends, and one who made the chocolate cheesecake for the birth party...:) Give yourself the freedom and permission to have supportive people around you during this time of amazing birth! Its so different from having to argue and fight against or for what you want....Ie...I don't want the eye drops, I don't want the early shots for the baby, etc.

Many blessings for the 2nd half of your pregnancy and for your birth!

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Permalink Reply by Jef on October 15, 2009 at 2:35am

Hope I didn't come across too strong here......Just mostly wishing I would have been empowered with my first birth (is this your first birth child?), and wanting something different for you.

To answer your question, though, I don't really hang around people/Doctors who tell me to vaccinate, or give the kids a flu shot. We are generally healthy, and don't go to doctors, and if I do, I just tell them my decision. I don't have guilt, because I believe its my decision. I guess I finally trust my decisions MOST of the time, in this area now.

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Permalink Reply by Jef on October 15, 2009 at 2:47am

I decided not to vaccinate, (my 3rd child) because of stuff I had read. None of the evidence really supports it, if you read alternative stuff. Then I heard from enough "professional" people around this area(maybe only 1) who don't support it. Just last night I listened to a Chiropractor speak about vaccinations.

Then I chose practitioners who were supportive of my decisions. (well, that's easy with home birth, but it was a difficult road with that choice, simply because it was a Vag birth after 2 C sections, so I still had lots of people terrorizing me about my choice to "put my life in danter"!! )

AND, the most compelling evidence for myself is that when I DID make the decision not to vaccinate my 3rd child, after vaccinating my first 2 mostly, I found that she has been the healthiest and most robust of the 3. It is a striking difference in build, and recovery from illness. She has more meat on her bones, where the others' are extremely thin. Its just obvious to me now, and I know I made the right decision. I feel sad that I didn't know with my older 2.
Try to read some books about it, in the next 4 months, and make your choice. It is your choice. ITs not their baby, and they don't have to raise him after giving him injections that could harm him.
I really think the main thing for you is self empowerment, and that probably happens through educating yourself, and inner work.

Sending loving thoughts to you and your baby!

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Permalink Reply by Jef on October 15, 2009 at 2:49am

and, the H1N1 is no different. I think its all fear mongering. There has been no evidence that it actually works, and the virus probably mutated by now anyway, so the vaccine won't work.

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Permalink Reply by Sarah on October 15, 2009 at 2:04pm

Actually, you gave me A LOT of food for thought. I had wanted to do a home birth, but thought I couldn't because of my weight. (I'm currently 250.) However, I still embrace a high raw, vegan lifestyle - my blood pressure is fantastic, and I've started doing exercises targeting my lower body and back. I watched The Business of Being Born and got a book on homebirths, but already knew what I wanted to do. I just had my 19w ultrasound and my baby boy is gorgeous and healthy and there are no visible issues that would require advanced medical attention.

I'm so excited right now, contacting local midwives to research my options fully! I decided fully against the vaccination and feel no regret, just a resounding vibration of acceptance and peace in the decision. As for after the birth, I have more and more and more research to do on baby vaccinations.

It's hard for me to break away from doing what an expert tells me to do, and following my instincts. I was raised in a strict military/Baptist family, so the 'yessir' mentality is a standard to me. It's only been recently that I've begun embracing my intuition, and I can fully say that I've yet to be wrong when I've been still and simply listened.

I'll likely have a million questions for you about home birth! I hope you don't mind. :) Thanks!

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