Daniel Vitalis??

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Permalink Reply by Jha'en on July 5, 2009 at 3:52pm

Go DV!! (I think he's been into the water thing for awhile :)

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Permalink Reply by Mellifera on July 5, 2009 at 3:57pm

I love his stuff. It's very innovative and he is a great speaker. I'm always looking forward to his videos....wish I could afford his courses.

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Permalink Reply by Raini on July 5, 2009 at 4:24pm

I'm pretty sure he's the only person I can actually learn something from every time I listen to him. I feel like everything everyone else is talking about is being recycled over and over again. David Wolfe has hardly changed his lectures in a year. But let's yin yang that shit and check the positive aspect... now we don't have to sit on the computer for hours watching david wolfe video's we already know it all!

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Permalink Reply by Brandon on July 5, 2009 at 7:20pm

@azya This is true..He has been into water for awhile :)

@Mellifera Have you seen his latest program?

@Raini Its funny you should say those things...I feel the same way...I hope Daniel keeps coming out with new stuff...I know a lot of us are tired of hearing the same old stuff over and over again...

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Permalink Reply by Tim on July 5, 2009 at 8:02pm

Daniel Vitalis is on point!!! huge inspiration to me and very motivating!! its really refreshing his non dogmatic, open minded approach!!!

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Permalink Reply by Josh Fossgreen on July 5, 2009 at 9:21pm

I like his water stuff. I tuned out after hearing several interviews though. He claims that a vegan diet is unsustainable for ANYBODY, which I know from my own experience and the experience of many people I know to be utterly untrue. He's free to do what he wants, but I don't think it serves his listeners for him to spread misinformation. To clarify, my post does NOT say everyone should be vegan, just that it is not impossible.

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Permalink Reply by Brandon on July 5, 2009 at 9:38pm

I think he was basing that claim on the fact that there has never been a vegan culture in the history of man.

There are vegetarian cultures, like India, but they include lots of dairy products.

To me it seems obvious that a vegan diet is lacking is several key nutrients. Perhaps thats where he's coming from.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Im glad we can dialog like this.

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Permalink Reply by Travis on July 5, 2009 at 10:16pm

"To me it seems obvious that a vegan diet is lacking is several key nutrients. Perhaps thats where he's coming from."
can you please elaborate on this? which key nutrients other than say vitamin b12, cannot be obtained from a vegan diet. on a vegan diet i come out miles ahead in the rdi of many key nutrients that so called "experts" claim are lacking in a vegan diet such as iron, b vitamins and, vitamin a and so on.

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Permalink Reply by Mellifera on July 5, 2009 at 10:38pm

The argument that there are no vegan cultures is interesting, but it doesn't preclude the possibility of individuals doing well on a vegan diet, it just seems to show that in a primitive environment, a meat-eating cooking culture would probably out-compete a raw vegan one pretty easily. I'm reading Wrangham (a prominent anthropologist)'s new book and he makes a pretty compelling argument for that. A raw vegan tribe would have to spent lots and lots of time gathering food and chewing it, while the cooking + meat tribe is sharpening their spears and having sex...but in the end, this is modern times, and it seems perfectly possible given modern nutritional knowledge, food access, and prep techniques to do vegan well.

But it's interesting how good Vitalis looks ... compared to completely raw vegan male leaders, he looks very very manly.

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Permalink Reply by Marcus Emmanuel Barnes on July 5, 2009 at 11:26pm

Would one consider the Pythagoreans of Ancient Greece a culture? They ate a strict vegetarian diet that even excluded beans -- so a vegan *diet* based culture, though not a vegan culture (they likely enslaved animals). The Pythagoreans thrived intellectually, so much so that a powerful mathematical result is still named after their leader to this day, i.e., the Pythagorean theorem. I find arguments that base our decisions purely on what was done in the past a little strange. Yah, we can look to the past for patterns, but there are a lot of things from the past (e.g., sexism) in the past which I wouldn't want to base my living patterns on. By the way, it is the position of the American Dietetic Association and the Dietitians of Canada that a well-planned vegan diet is "appropriate for all stages the life-cycle including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence." One should keep in mind when looking at diets from cultures in history that they had a much different context than what we have today. So what made sense for them may not make sense for us today as we make our living choices each and every day. Case in point, almost all cultures in the past didn't have access to as wide a range of foods as most Western societies do today. For example, if their plant-based diet did not provide any B12, then consuming some animal products would have improved their health as it would have provided this key nutrient. But this is not an argument for eating animal products today. It's much more efficient to get one's B12 from vegan supplements (yes, not raw) than it is to enslave animals for human consumption.

Anyway, I concur that it's nice that we can have a respectful dialog. This allows us all to be exposed to perspectives and resources that we might not have come across otherwise.

Wishing everyone success, health, and happiness,

Your friend,

M.E.B.
EatRawVegan.com

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Permalink Reply by Tamara Telem on July 6, 2009 at 12:16am

The pythagoreans were vegetarian, not vegan. Dairy and honey were staple foods for them. Daniel isn't making any claims that no vegetarian cultures have existed, only that no vegan cultures have.

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