Chia, Quinoa, and Hemp v\s Meat
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I just have to ask this.. there has been a lot of talk on this site lately about people who feel they need to eat meat. If chia, quinoa, hemp, etc. are complete proteins why would someone need to eat meat?
I have asked about this kind of before thinking there must be something missing.. but if you can put a meal together that has complete proteins and other basics why would someone eat meat?
Is there just a magical process that occurs where the exact amount of protein from meat works and from plants\seeds doesn't work or do you think it is more psychological? The other thing I am wondering is did people who eat meat really try to get a decent amount of protein from powders or hemp etc before they went back to meat or did they go from fruit and salads back to meat?
Also were you supplementing b-complex before you went back to meat.It seems like a person has to really focus on getting 50 grams of protein a day when vegetarian. A lot of people are unwilling to do this because they think it means eating a cup of sesame seeds or other seeds and nuts- but a person can get an almost no fat protein source from sprouted garbanzos, mung beans etc. Is it the tast of the sprouted beans and other high protein foods that turns you off- or is it more the fact that you just don't feel like you get energy from sprouted beans or quinoa, or hemp etc?
Thank you! I really want to get to the bottom of this..
I just have to ask this.. there has been a lot of talk on this site lately about people who feel they need to eat meat. If chia, quinoa, hemp, etc. are complete proteins why would someone need to eat meat?
I have asked about this kind of before thinking there must be something missing.. but if you can put a meal together that has complete proteins and other basics why would someone eat meat?
Is there just a magical process that occurs where the exact amount of protein from meat works and from plants\seeds doesn't work or do you think it is more psychological? The other thing I am wondering is did people who eat meat really try to get a decent amount of protein from powders or hemp etc before they went back to meat or did they go from fruit and salads back to meat?
Also were you supplementing b-complex before you went back to meat.It seems like a person has to really focus on getting 50 grams of protein a day when vegetarian. A lot of people are unwilling to do this because they think it means eating a cup of sesame seeds or other seeds and nuts- but a person can get an almost no fat protein source from sprouted garbanzos, mung beans etc. Is it the tast of the sprouted beans and other high protein foods that turns you off- or is it more the fact that you just don't feel like you get energy from sprouted beans or quinoa, or hemp etc?
Thank you! I really want to get to the bottom of this..
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Permalink Reply by expressionista on -
Great question. I also wonder if people like Lierre Keith (The Vegetarian Myth), a former vegan who claims veganism causes clinical depression were actively eating high tryptophan foods like sprouted sunflower seeds...
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Permalink Reply by AwesomeUniverse!!! on -
oh yes! That is a huge focus of mine! Sunflower seeds and sprouts are like the mysterious gateway to higher levels of consciousness!
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Permalink Reply by Danny on -
Is this question for vegetarians that went back to meat? One of my co-workers is vegan, but he said he eats 1 whole fish(red snapper) every 3 weeks. He said he does it for the minerals(was specific of which one, but I can't recall.)
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Permalink Reply by AwesomeUniverse!!! on
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Thanks for replying.. no it was meant for anyone who eats meat. But it is interesting to me people who have tried it either way. Like have you tried to go without meat for a couple weeks but felt weak so you went back to meat?
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Permalink Reply by Danny on
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Maybe it is psychologically.I like the feeling & taste of biting into it also. It satisfies my hunger. I can eat all the nuts & seeds I want, but it doesn't do it for me.
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Permalink Reply by Nicole on -
I think my husband would be the same as Danny. I always marvel at the way he finds it difficult to kill spiders or roaches but would eat meat every night if I served it. He reckons he can't find a better alternative.
I think for most people its conditioning. Alot of people live their lives without ever questioning the way in which they are raised eg eating habits, religion and so on. So if you have always eaten meat or believed in Catholicism then alot of are happy plodding along. Others are come of the womb full of questions I reckon lol. Some people just like it and they simply like to do the things that feel good to them.
I started trying to be a vegetarian at the age of 7 and went on and off meat until I started raw in Jan.
I went back in the later years partly due to laziness, cravings and a lack knowledge of the alternatives that you are talking about. Mostly though I think that I wasn't fully ready to live a more conscious life. Its all a journey after all. Hope this makes sense as my 3 boys and the puppy are trying the wreck the house around me lol :)
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Permalink Reply by Kasey on -
I remember craving some salmon awhile ago and thinking, ahh I'll just eat some hemp seeds instead! They are apparently a complete protein, and also have the essential fats that I was probably craving. After taking one mouthful... I was like... nope. Not what my body wanted at all. So I don't think it was the protein, or the essential fats. There's something else to it.
Could be the b12, could be true vitamin A, CLA, DHA, EPA... who knows. There are so many nutrients being discovered each day. Phytonutrients in plants are a fairly new discovery. There could be essential nutrients in animal products that we haven't even discovered yet. With all the misinfo out there, we'd only truly know for sure in paying attention to how we feel. Alot of people thrive on vegan diets, and some can't live without animal products. Find out which type of person you are, and once you do, try not to judge other people for coming to a different conclusion than you did.
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Permalink Reply by AwesomeUniverse!!! on
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Do I sound like I'm judging? I was trying not to. So are you eating meat now Kasey? I wasn't sure what you were saying about your experience. I am also wondering if like people say- the body is burning fat that was created by McDonalds hamburgers and that is being poured into the bloodstream (the chemicals from those products) and then people crave McD's over other brands. I have heard this is a possibility and actually think it is fascinating.
I was driving across country and kept seeing signs for McDonalds and was craving a fish filet sandwich..The funny thing is I was never a big fastfood eater because I became a vegetarian at age 15. So in my case it was the advertising or something. I kept seeing the food advertised on billboards.. etc. Advertising can be really powerful.
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Permalink Reply by Kasey on
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That judgment stuff wasn't directed at you, sorry if it sounded like that. Just a general statement to those who choose to eat meat or not, not to hold it against someone who feels different on the subject than they do.
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Permalink Reply by expressionista on
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There could be essential nutrients in animal products that we haven't even discovered yet.
yes, and there could be essential nutrients in processed foods we haven't discovered yet. should i have a few Hostess Snack Cakes now and then to hedge my nutritional bets? I think a lot of it's fear, any time you adopt a lifestyle that isn't represented much at all, let alone positively in mainstream culture, you're going to have some fears in the back of your mind. I wonder if Galileo ever thought "maybe my work really is blasphemy?"
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Permalink Reply by Kasey on
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Hostess snack cakes contain essential party time acids. don't wanna get deficient in those!
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Permalink Reply by Erin on -
When I was raw vegan, I ate tons of hemp and chia and some sprouted quinoa. I made sure I got about 50 gms of protein/day. I took coenzyme B's ad digestive enzymes.I lost a lot of muscle. I hadn't previously been vegan- I had a always eaten eggs and occasionally, fish. No meat in 16 years, though.
My muscle came back when I added back fish (in higher amounts than previously) and eggs, but I eventually started eating meat because of dreams I was having, watching the progress of my friend (Buddhababy) and reading The Vegetarian Myth and Primal Body,Primal Mind, which both come to similar conclusions about the body's requirements.
I feel much stronger eating small servings of meat. I've also pondered this, because I used to be of the same opinion that as long as you got enough amino acids, you should be good, but meat seems to have some intangible quality to it.
It does have certain nutrients that veggie proteins don't, like carnitine, carnosine, CoQ 10 and (if it's grass fed) CLA. The first three deal with cellular energy production, so that could be part of the puzzle. Maybe the small amounts of adrenaline in the tissue also are of particular benefit to us adrenally fatigued folks.
Another issue could be zinc. vs. copper. All sources of veg. protein are much higher in copper than zinc (and even the zinc in pumpkin seeds isn't well absorbed and has to compete with the copper in them) whereas meat just has zinc, mainly. Copper excess is a common cause of fatigue.
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