Anti-Vegan Backlash Spreads

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Permalink Reply by YogaBrudder on November 4, 2009 at 1:19pm

i'm oblivious to any of this hate-talk, so-called.

a well-known health speaker told me the other day: "there have been no successful vegan communities in history".

I don't know about that.

but i do know i'm not into following societal or cultural, or tribal norms.

not into normal at all, 'smatter of fact.

don't care what people think, better off.

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Permalink Reply by Tina on November 4, 2009 at 1:37pm

And YogaBrudder, I want to make this promise to you, here and now:

When I go to study anthropology, I'm going to make it my main research point to study (raw)veganism and vegetarian cultures throughout the history of man! And I'm sure they are there.

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Permalink Reply by YogaBrudder on November 4, 2009 at 2:46pm

Ooh Tina, yur the one for me.

You obviously got it goin on, girlfriend.


I think I've said before, however, ha-ha.

Keep me in mind (or heart).

"When you build your house, call me" (Fleetwood Mac)

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Permalink Reply by expressionista on November 4, 2009 at 1:38pm

What I worry about is that the backlash is creating excuses, and the excuses are keeping people from making the changes they know in their heart of hearts they want. How does one stop a viscous cycle? How do we love the haters?

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Permalink Reply by YogaBrudder on November 4, 2009 at 2:44pm

Love yourself. (That's my challenge.....)

I don't care about people's excuses, or them making changes. I try to not let myself be affected by "the haters".

I don't have a tv anymore. I avoid NPR like the plague. And I certainly don't listen to this governor, or that senator or whoever, on NPR, or anywhere. I don't glance at the paper - hardly at all.

I try to be around happy people, those who inspire me. I don't go to bars, seldom to parties or places that drink.

I meditate a lot.

I'm not worried the least about "backlashes".

I stopped listening to Alex Jones.

BTJM

(but that's jest me).

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Permalink Reply by expressionista on November 4, 2009 at 3:01pm

I see our paths are separated by 180 degrees yours leads inward and mine outward. But between the two of us we make a straight line, so blessed be ;)

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Permalink Reply by Tina on November 4, 2009 at 4:21pm

"Between the two of us we make a straight line, so blessed be."

Love that, expressionista!

YogaBrudder... you are all peace and love. You don't need to actively be a teacher, because you teach by example and inspiration <3

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Permalink Reply by AwesomeUniverse!!! on November 4, 2009 at 7:03pm

Yes it's basic raw emotion without science backing it up. It seems to me that the people doing the best on this raw or vegan are adding protein powder to their morning smoothie. Also adding in flax, chia wheatgerm, nutritional yeast, kelp, etc. are all a lot more important than people think. I think there are certain foods a lot of raw people and vegans need to eat more of.Basically look at fit daily and see what you are missing.

I think not enough focus is put on sad eaters nutrition scores. If someone says you need to eat meat you can ask them - ok what did you eat today exactly and figure that up. They will be lacking in a lot of basic things. Usually vit. c, e, niacin, pantothenic acid etc. A lot of vitamins are destroyed in cooking. Cooked meat fat maybe the worst thing to eat and then white flour on top of that turns to glue in the arteries.

Add to that cancer causing chemicals in diet soda, high fructose corn syrup that is contaminated with mercury that is in almost everything and msg that they hide in salad dressings and salsas and it's a giant throbbing cancer tumor just waiting to happen.

Look at which vitamins are destroyed during cooking and you will see why regular vegans aren't as healthy as they should be. But what it comes down to is people arguing who don't have all the facts. Once you can compare what someone is eating for real- you've got a heart attack and a stroke waiting to happen because of all of blood coagulators and poisons that push sad eaters into the red zone without them even knowing.

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Permalink Reply by Tina on November 4, 2009 at 1:35pm

GRRRRR....

SO ANNOYING! And complete BS! I've always found lentil soup, which is vegan by natue, to be the shizzle, for lack of a better word!

And cows don't give that much milk (only the technologically-modified ones we've created) and if you want to go egg hunting in the woods, be my guest, but my bet is you won't even find 1 egg, let alone a dozen to make your "soup"...

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Permalink Reply by Ian on November 4, 2009 at 2:57pm

***yawn***

Seems like this person could use more plant-based ruffage.

Just a thought ;-)

Ian

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Permalink Reply by AwesomeUniverse!!! on November 4, 2009 at 3:18pm

That would be a great come back if someone is giving you flack for being raw vegan! lol!

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Permalink Reply by Finnegan Kelley on November 4, 2009 at 3:42pm

Probably something to do with all of the attacks vegans make on omnivores ^_^

Another reason for the backlash is A LOT of ex-vegan/vegetarians are opening up to organic free range cuddly-rainbow-unicorn animal products. Especially in the rawsphere. So you have all of these people who went vegan/veggie maybe for ethical reasons, maybe for health, who were assured they would right all of their wrongs if they just gave up on all the animal stuff. Bombarded with information, some of it well meaning and some of it notsomuch; with PETA running attack adds and spreading around all sorts of mind-blowing facts and science to support that a vegan diet can cure every ill from your body to the body of rock and water around you.

What's wrong with this picture? It is, essentially, bollocks.

Not that I'm saying vegans can't be healthy or anything even remotely near that. But the way the information is presented is to make you believe that all people live optimally in a vegan lifestyle. And many, many people, after trying for years to find out just why the fuck veganism was making everyone else a super-human but them, has quite a lot of people just a bit miffed.


On a note more directly related to the OP:

You say that bit of writing is one of the most spiteful rants you've read against veganism? ... Because it sounds to me like a pretty rational, diplomatic approach to the subject from a meat-eaters perspective. I'm curious as to what you think of the tactics used by many vegans to generalise and slander animal products.

"Extremist," by the definition, is an appropriate tag for a vegan; just as it would be to someone who eats solely meat, or wears only peruvian woven bedsheets, or drinks only mexican tap water. It is an extreme alternative to what is considered a normal approach.

So what are you taking issue with besides the name calling? The part where he agrees that factory farming is unethical? That we need to eradicate the mistreatment of animals? That animal products can be consumed ethically? That if we put pressure on obtaining these products from an ethical and healthy environment instead of completely dismissing them and alienating the majority of the country we can change the way things are done and end the mistreatment altogether?!

I don't know about you, but that last bit made a whole lot of sense to me. Think about it: the vegan movement, although its heart seems to be in the right place, advocates total abstinence in lieu of promoting ethical alternatives; which, because it is an extreme way (like say, water fasting for darfur) to deal with a problem, alienates regular people, who believe that the human animal is omnivorous but would otherwise be totally into that whole "torture isn't making my steak taste any better" thing you guys have got going on.

Edit: Good god I've written a novel. Congrats if you've made it this far!

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