Food combining and supplements!
I just got a new superfood powder and I am eager to add it to my fruit smoothies... but will it slow down the "natural" flow of things? Will the fruit take longer to pass through because i added the powder? I'm new to this sorry!
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Permalink Reply by Chris Burt on -
Durianrider, you know Matt can't come up with proof of that but where can you prove that wholefood supplements do harm or in fact are not beneficial? You cant because we are only voicing opinions based on our experiences and life circumstances. I would imagine this would explain why you never answered my question 2 weeks ago when I asked for evidence from you to back up your statement that sprouts were less nutritious than mature vegetables.
http://www.giveittomeraw.com/forum/topic/show?id=1407416%3ATopic%3A...
Yes the ideal situation from a health point of view is to give up everything and go and live on an uninhabited island or a rainforest and live as close to nature as you can but for the majority of people that is just not possible. Also despite what you may think, people need a transitioning period when they can experiment and come to their own conclusions and also give their digestive system time to adjust. Yes I think most of your comments are helpful to experienced RAW fooders but beginners need to be treated a bit more gently.
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Permalink Reply by Chris Burt on
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"sprouts more nutritious than tender digestible greens like ice berg etc?. why of course not. if something is hard to digest, its not going to be much use to the body. the body has to eliminate it, deal with the nasties that it came with and try and make up for the lack of nutrition somehow."
That's not proof, that's your opinion and you may be right but you also may be wrong. What I am saying is if you are right then give us some proof because I would like to know. Here is another opinion from The Hippocrates Institute;
"The use of sprouted seeds for food and medicine is more than twice as old as the Great Wall of China and was even noted in Chinese historical records. Today, more and more data is being compiled on the amazing nutritional value of sprouting. The living foods that are germinated and sprouted afford us the most concentrated natural sources of vitamins, chelated minerals, enzymes, and amino acids. These also contain abundant enzymes and bioelectrical energy, a most important reason for their desirability. Pound for pound, lentils and other bean sprouts contain as much protein as red meat, yet in a digestible form without the fat, cholesterol, hormones, and antibiotics that are found in meat.
Germination is the important process which results when seeds, grains, legumes, and nuts are soaked in water for a period of time. Water removes certain metabolic inhibitors which are present to protect the seed from bacterial invasion and preserve it during its dormant state. Soaked seeds are more easily digested. During the germination process the seed springs into life and becomes more available nutritionally for human needs. Sprouts are 10-30% more nutritious than the best vegetables"
But they have come to that conclusion through 50 years of research so it does give it a bit of credibility.
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Permalink Reply by VOID on -
Chris,
Is there really such a thing as a whole food supplement? A whole food is exactly that...a whole food. It has everything it was designed to have in its unaltered natural form. Anything that comes in a powdered form cannot by its very nature be whole, since it has clearly had at the very least water removed. Water is just as important a nutrient as any. Remove water and the food will act differently. Even if you reintroduce water it will still react differently. Just like soaked dried fruits still provide concentrated sugars/dried fruits, unlike their original whole fruits because they have become altered when dried.
So-called whole food supplements like grasses etc. perhaps do not cause significant harm, except to those with sensitive digestive systems such as those with IBD's like Crohns. As yet we dont know. I doubt they are optimally health giving though, since we are not able to digest whole food grasses properly.
Certain supplements like the algaes though are a different matter. If they contain b12 analogues, they could block receptor sites for active b12, even after discontinuation, and could potentially cause b12 deficiency. I think they could potentially be harmful.
I dont think DR is being unfair in his approach, all he is doing is offerring an alternative perspective by challenging the way people currently think. I think everyone should consistently challenge themselves, and or use others to challenge them to help them constantly re-evaluate their beliefs about things. We need to stop molly-coddling grown adults. Being nasty is one thing, I would never condone that, but challenging people, I dont think thats a bad thing. Society is in the mess it is in currently because people dont consistently challenge themselves enough and eagerly allow others to do the thinking for them. The internet is a great place to start this process since people can always choose to ignore someone if they want to.
Take Care
Adam x
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Permalink Reply by Chris Burt on
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Adam,
That could be a discussion itself, whether it should be called a whole food supplement or not. OK it is not a whole food but it could be interpreted as a whole food supplement and that what the industry calls it. But it doesn't really matter what you call it as long as you recognise the difference between a WFS and a chemical supplement or an isolated vitamin or mineral supplement. Of course it is not better than a whole food but it must be the 2nd best and their maybe times when 2nd best has to do. For example a long plane journey or if a child refuses to eat, say, tomatoes and if you dehydrate and grind up 20 tomatoes and sneak it into his food as a powder, is that better or worse than no tomatoes at all?
I don't think anyone is saying DR is wrong but perhaps the delivery of the message could be better. Here's a scenario, if you had a SAD person who had been SAD for 40 years and it was suggested to that person that the only way to improve his health was 811 and that person refused because the thought of eating solely fruit and veg didn't appeal to them or their SAD body couldn't cope with the sudden change and they died 2 years later but the same person was offered gourmet RAW, chocolate, superfoods and all sorts of tasty RAW delights and fully embraced the RAW lifestyle and 2 years later they were ready to try 811. What was best for them?
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Permalink Reply by VOID on
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Hey Chris,
You are right, it could be another discussion, but I just wanted to clarify that whole foods have to be considered whole only when they are whole. And that whole foods have to be inherently more preferable.
As far as plane journeys, I would bring a couple of heads of celery and lettuce with me and a bag of bananas and/or dates or grapes on the plane (as long as you eat them before you arrive in the destination country theres no problem with this). If a child doesnt like a certain food, dont feed it them. Either blend it and put it in a smoothie or just find another food. There are plenty of foods that you can find the nutrients from tomatoes in.
I know your problem was more with the way he delivered his message, but I dont think his delivery in this discussion was too inappropriate. Its always good to have the ideal in mind, even if they dont want to eat in that way immediately.
If it was a client of mine wanting to go from SAD to Raw, I would always want them to eat healthy. So I would increase their % of raw food and fruit slowly and reduce their overall fat intake, eliminating processed foods and meat, then dairy and eggs, then wheat, then gluten, spices, condiments, salt, starch...over a period of time. Most people couldnt have a SAD--> 811 transition overnight, so its best to let them go at the rate they can manage comfortably.
Of course if they were willing to go SAD--> raw vegan but high fat gourmet approach straight away, then I would work with that...at the end of the day you always have to work with what people are actually willing to work with...rather than mindreading what they can and cant handle, or giving them a mistaken idea of what the healthiest diet is.. But I would wouldnt necessarily jump to supplements even then.
Take Care
Adam x
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Permalink Reply by Chris Burt on
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Adam, is there any situation where you would recommend supplements?
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Permalink Reply by VOID on
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Chris,
I never say never. There is always an occassion when something might be indicated for something, but these are the exceptions, not the rule. I would consider recommending supplements to someone with a severe deficiency that could not be resolved with diet.
Active B12 supplements can be useful with some people, Same with vitamin D, if living in a cold northern climate.
Take Care
Adam x
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Permalink Reply by Chick-O! on -
yea i guess i got the wrong idea that supplements are bueno... guess i dont need it! thanks for keepin me updated... i ate really healthy before i switched to raw so i dont really need to change things much. ill try it and hey, ill let ya know if its good or not. :D
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Permalink Reply by jason on -
If you are transitioning, I say go ahead and try it. It is totally up to you though and your personal situation. DR (and others) are right though (I believe) about the supplements, BUT I must admit I ate them for a long time and they helped me significantly (whether by placebo or not) they helped my transition to 100% vegan diet first, then to 100% raw. Each path and person is unique, do an experiment on yourself, its well worth it. After your experiment, you will have true knowledge of what your body thinks about the supplement. No matter what, its better than McDonalds...
I think people transitioning from "bad" diets should (can) use certain supplements to fill in the nutritional gaps so to speak. I could be wrong, but it worked beautifully for me, so I cannot throw them aside as poisons just yet... but I do agree as one travels further down the road of health through natural foods, the need for supplements subsides. Another self-evident truth I have experienced. I say do what you feel.
Peace
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Permalink Reply by Chick-O! on
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yess this is the answer ive been getting alot. good because all the supplements are super confusing! so i will try our the powder, and see how it goes. i doubt i will be buying them again. thanks!!
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Permalink Reply by kayell on -
My rec for adding some kind of super food greens to your diet:
Add some greens* to your diet! Greens are good, full of minerals. If you want some superfoods in your smoothies - spinach is terrific. I usually add about 4.5 ounces (half a bag) of baby spinach to my breakfast smoothie. Start with a smaller amount if you want to get used to the flavor, but spinach is amazingly mild in smoothies.
Lettuce and other greens are preferred by some. Try and see what you like best.
*nice, fresh, crisp and juicy ones, fresh from the garden, farmers' market or produce section. No worries about what didn't survive dehydration, powdering, bottling, shipping, storing....
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Permalink Reply by Pop Hiya on -
I've been food combining since March 2007 and have been so happy with the results! My skin, weight, and energy is completely balanced now. The following books have taught me about food combining and more: Natalia Rose's "Raw Food Detox Diet", Harvey Diamond's "Fit For Life", Dr. Norman Walker's "Colon Health"
It was easy to stick to because ALL Natalia Rose books have such delicious recipes!
Superfood powder? depends what is in the ingredients. If you can get the superfood fresh/raw it would better, ex running raw's green smoothies.
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