2012 - Big deal or not?

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Permalink Reply by Ankit on August 25, 2008 at 1:02am

To be fully honest, I don't really think any of these theories are particularly true. If they're symbolic for a mass shift in consciousness or something, I still have trouble comprehending how that would occur for 6 billion people at once. If it does, fantastic. If the end of the world is truly upon us, what can we really do but enjoy every moment until then?

Live for now. Let the future unfold as it may.

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Permalink Reply by Saz on August 25, 2008 at 12:07pm

Aw I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make you anxious by starting the topic! If it makes you feel any better, I don't believe the world is ending either. I was just curious to know what other people think, since everyone seems to have a different opinion on the matter. I was talking to someone a year ago who fully believed that the world was ending in 2012 and he was even constantly moving around the country to try and find a safe place from the tides from the rising seas levels came! It was a bit of an over-reaction in my opinion, but he was convinced :)

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Permalink Reply by Shayla aka YogaFruitGirl on August 28, 2008 at 2:01pm

Most def a big deal! As REM masterfully sang, "It's the END of the world as we KNOW it."

The common interpretation of the 2012 date is the "end of an age." In my view, the age that is ending has been called a number of things: the industrial age, the age of fossil fuels, the free or cheap energy age. The climax of the evolution of our western civilization, based so heavily on cheap energy, appears to happen around 2012 when the production of oil and other fossil fuels "peaks" before a decline begins. The term 'Peak Oil' has been coined to represent both the timing of when oil production peaks and the subsequent consequences to humanity. For a comprehensive explanation of Peak Oil, see: Sorry, No Gas

To show graphically how peak oil dovetails with 2012, the chart below demonstrates when the falloff of oil availability begins.


(see more graphs at http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4419)

For those who think a decline in oil production isn't the end of the world, there several things to keep in mind:
1. What isn't showing in the chart is increasing demand for oil, gas, diesel, jet fuel, etc. all over the world, especially China and India.
2. The price of oil has tripled in the last four years and doubled in the last year. Increasing demand and decreasing supply can only mean substantially higher prices into the future.
3. The decline of oil production is irreversible.
4. The world population is currently 6.5 billion people; it is projected to increase to 9 billion by 2030.
5. Our entire western civilization, led by the USA, has been constructed around cheap and increasingly available energy, both of which are coming to an end.

I pose this question: How will you get your fruits and veggies when the price of gasoline and diesel fuel becomes so prohibitive that the trucks that normally deliver produce from other far away states can no longer operate to service your grocery store? Will that rock your world in a 2012 sort of way?

Share your thoughts.

"..And I feel fine."

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Permalink Reply by Jef on January 2, 2009 at 5:50pm

So we should all move to California where all the food grows? but then if the water levels rise, we'll be doomed too..........hmmmmmmmm..... .

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Permalink Reply by Saz on January 2, 2009 at 5:54pm

Cali is supposed to be super polluted (smoggy). And yes, it's gonna sink into the ocean one day.

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Permalink Reply by Shayla aka YogaFruitGirl on January 3, 2009 at 1:08am

I believe the solution is to create "lifeboat communities" on fertile land where large amounts of energy isn't needed for heating, cooling, water, & transportation. Those of us who are aware & awake have a chance at creating a utopic existence. First survive, then THRIVE!

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Permalink Reply by Mica on August 28, 2008 at 2:38pm

Hey Saz

the end of an age yes not necessarily the world.
I'm no expert in fortunetelling so I won't be able to say exactly what IS going to happen...;)

But maybe part three of this documentary (probably one of the most controversial on the net right now) will help you understand what an end of an age exactly means astrologically and how sometimes things are kinda meant metaphorically and then possibly translated into something completely different.
So don't get too freaked out by predictions like that.
Apparently he got some minor facts wrong in the beginning of the film but it's nevertheless a fascinating watch.

let me know what you think.....:)



LOvE

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Permalink Reply by Saz on August 31, 2008 at 10:54pm

Wow Mica!! Talk about controversial lol. But that's amazing, I had no idea the biblical and ancient stories were so similar, nor about the astrological ages. Certainly gives you a lot to ponder, eh?

Thank you for sharing!!!

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Permalink Reply by anastasia on August 28, 2008 at 4:11pm

At that day we will cross the equator of the galaxy:
"Our solar system is part of a huge disc shaped collection of stars and planets called the Milky Way. We're located somewhere on the edge of the disc, slightly on top of the narrow disc. But very soon we'll be moving to the bottom of the disc. This change, from top to bottom, begins on December 21, 2012."

http://www.viewzone.com/endtime.html
"Prior to December 2012 we have been drifting on the top of the pizza, never really able to see the bottom. The plate and pizza are not parallel. They are moving at different angles. We've been drifting down, down, down... and on December 21st, 2012, we will be exactly level with the crust -- forming an "x" at the Galactic Equator where galactic gravity is the strongest. After 2012, if we are still here, we will be passing through the bottom zone, viewing the Milky Way pizza from the South.

By some amazing coincidence, not only will we be intersecting with the Galactic Equator, but we will be doing this precisely aligned with the center of the Galaxy where there is maximum mass! More mass means more gravity. More gravity means more influence from those barycenters in our Sun. That means exponential increases in solar disruptions -- all coinciding on the same day! Whew!"

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Permalink Reply by Mica on August 28, 2008 at 5:12pm

Wow....and so what does this mean exactly?
I mean how is this going to effect us?

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Permalink Reply by Saz on August 31, 2008 at 11:01pm

I sometimes wonder if all the hardship the planet and its inhabitants are going through right now is related to something more powerful than most of humanity realises...

Extreme weather resulting in much death and destruction, food and water shortages, fuel shortages, war and fighting over scarce resources, government and personal economic crises, pollution, clear-cutting and the extinction of species... not to mention the "dumbing down" of society through the media, thus most people can't think for themselves anymore.

If 2012 is meant to be a metaphor for a new awakening, I'm not sure what we'll find when we "awaken". o_O

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Permalink Reply by anastasia on August 30, 2008 at 2:38am

I don't know if it is anything to be concerned about. I've read other accounts that we have already passed through this event in 1997!?! But you would think that that event might have generated some press interest. It would be cool to track down some hard astronomical opinion on this.

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