People getting sick on raw food? -Link-, we should write in to the paper ;);)...

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Permalink Reply by John Coleman on June 21, 2008 at 3:03am

most of us would be dead or starving without scientific progress

progress in science has also helped to give us more liberal views on black people and gays, and so many other issues

science also brought us the internet, computers etc...

science stands on its merits, and if you wish to live without it there are plenty of places in this world where you may do so

Permalink Reply by Holly Paige on June 21, 2008 at 3:20am

hope you enjoy gm, global wifi and the rest of it lol

Permalink Reply by John Coleman on June 21, 2008 at 3:33am

progress in science gives us options, it is down to politics and economics which ones are persued

Permalink Reply by Karl Greaves on June 21, 2008 at 7:57am

I give myself options and it is down to me which ones I follow

Permalink Reply by Holly Paige on June 21, 2008 at 2:02am

excellent point

Permalink Reply by Karl Greaves on June 20, 2008 at 5:56pm

Good for you

Permalink Reply by Holly Paige on June 21, 2008 at 1:59am

my greatest guide is actual experience
i use science to give me pointers and see if they work
this is known as empirical science

Permalink Reply by John Coleman on June 21, 2008 at 2:19am

Empirical science involves carefully designed and controlled experiments where environmental measurements are taken before and after the phenomena are observed, and then the 2 sets of data objectively analysed.

The lack of precision and objectivity of our lifestyle experiences, and the conclusions we draw, mean they have nothing to do with empirical science.

The pseudo-scientific claims you make are probably one of the reasons you have received so much criticism.

Permalink Reply by Holly Paige on June 21, 2008 at 2:37am

John
life is a complex affair
since when has the science of this world given people the happy lives they deserve.
experience is what counts
if what you are after is a ice experience
if you just want to prove your point then it's somehthing else
i have never seen healthy looking 100% raw vegan children
i don't think your are all raw are they - or have i got that wrong?

Permalink Reply by John Coleman on June 21, 2008 at 2:58am

we are discussing your article - if you want to start a seperate discussion then please do

Permalink Reply by Holly Paige on June 21, 2008 at 2:01am

Rawzi just seen you profile
you look great - as does Buddhababy
that speaks volumes to me
iwhat we dodepends what we are trying to achieve i guess - satisfy dogma or feel great and enjoy our lives....

Permalink Reply by Holly Paige on June 21, 2008 at 2:20am

I actually deliberatley kept the story about me and refused to expose the problems other people i know have had. Those very same people have now attacked me publically and privately. Can you see the hypocrisy? I just kept it to relating my own experience ad refused to make general statements about raw veganism and even that should not allowed according to some fo the people in this forum. What about freedom of speech?

I have watched raw vegan children being malnourished and not said a word....i am now beginning to wonder whether that is the right thing and reservations about losing friendships are rapidly disappearing because it seems some of my raw vegan friends cannot even tolerate me saying what happened to me and my chidren. The raw vegan movement covers up what is happening to raw vegan children and personally i think it is awful.
Sorry but all these attacks have had the opposite effect on me than i presume was intended - it's confirmed in my mind the insidiousness of this dogma (understand i have no problem with people being vegan and absolutely do not have any problem with people bringing up their children vegan if it works - and my observation is that cooked veganism seems to be more successful than raw veganism).
It's a very liberating experience actually and i think i will speak out more in future.
Sorry but all these attacks have had the opposite effect on me than i presume was intended - as you lot seem so free to say what you like about me i will feel freer to speak out in the future.

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