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Scott Goldberg

Obama/McCain - Doesn't Matter Who Wins - Both will push agenda for big business

I find it sad that people actually feel that the elections are going to bring change. I mean, both candidates are not good for the country, but rather are good for their own interests which is big business and keeping the global empire running. I'm a supporter of Ron Paul and his beliefs in limited government and I'm afraid to say that no matter who is picked from the media-favorite two candidates, that neither will make the change we want to see. It's all what the people want to hear and quite honestly, a lot of people are stupid. I'm just saying it as it is. I wish that the world was run by nice people, but it really isn't. I feel we should open our eyes to understanding the type of society we will live and how pathetic most of the people are. Drugs, drinking alcohol, eating animals, destroying our bodies, not creating art, not loving.

Any like minded people from NY who want to network? I'm a filmmaker who is trying to make a change through film...

Aside from that, what's your thoughts on what I said?

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People think they have a choice and that it's a true democracy but it really isn't. The problem lies deep within our culture. Our economy is based on constant growth and the expense of everything else (our health, the environment, the climate, the rivers, the oceans, the air, the species... Unfortunately the world isn't run by "nice people". It is run by money, and those who have the most of it. If you think about it money has no real value(or very little). It is just a mass hallucination that we all agree upon.

I honestly don't think a politician or any government will bring the kind of drastic change we need. It won't be allowed to happen. The kind of changes that need to take place are too dramatic, too radical and not good for the economy. They are good for us, good for the planet, good for life and our well being, but not efficient money makers. There is little to no financial gain to be had by making such changes. What does the economy really fucking matter when it comes down to life or death of our species and every other species on the planet. When we have no clean air, clean water, or and cannot grow clean natural food to eat, we will realize that money has/had no value. We cannot buy those things back once they are gone.

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Read Deep Economy, As the World Burns, Endgame vol I & II, Ishmael, The story of B

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Optimism is the only attitude that will help us make it. Optimism without action does very little to create change though. You're right...A big shift in consciousness is happening, and even if it's not a majority of the world population that's okay because a small amount of people have can have the largest impact on the world. Just as the very small amount of people that have most of the money, the small amount of people doing their part for a better world will create change on a much larger scale once the rest of the population sees that a better world and a better life is possible.

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I'm not on the Ron Paul boat either...Not that there is any chance for him though anyway.

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That is true...but...because of aggressive advertising from a very young age we are "programed" to want things we don't really need, like huge power sucking homes, gas guzzling suvs, coca cola, and iPhones... We vote with our dollars but many of us don't really know any better. We are taught to think that these things will make us happy but they really don't.

It's not what we spend our dollars on that makes the biggest difference but what we don't spend our dollars on that has the most significant effect. Just like with raw food...initially it's not what your eating but what you are not that causes the most significant improvement in health.

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If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.

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I'm voting for Nader.

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"nice people" can't run a country because "nice people" usually end up getting shitted on and fucked over or are plain worried about staying nice and are unable to do what is necessary

I'm wishing for a president who has a warm kind spirit, a worldly conscious thinking and a backbone like steel...can i get that? My vision is someone with a mind of a buddha (matthieu Ricard possibly) crossed with Bob Marley and mixed with some of my favorite strong spirits like Martin Luther King, Bono, Tony Robbins, Bill Gates, Martin Rees, Barry Schwartz and Rick Warren. Give me someone who embodies this!

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Yes, I heard him speak at the School for Americas protest last year...he was awesome. And I also believe he is one of the very few representatives to speak out and question Blackwater (along with Jan Schakowsky). We have to remember that our votes DO matter with House and Senate members. We need "good guys" and "good women" to speak up on behalf of our better conscience (and regardless of what people naysay about politics, this DOES happen quite often...)

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Read Blackwater by Jeremy Scahill and you will be blown away by the evangelical/conservative Catholic connection to our militaristic economy...

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Oh I hope that I can convince you both to vote for Obama. He may not do all that he could do (not easy for the president to do much if he abides by the law unlike Bush), but no matter what he is intelligent. Also it means a lot to think that a black man could be our president - it would mean a lot in our inner cities and a lot all around the world. Not voting is a vote for McCain and that would be far far far worse than Obama at his worst. Please reconsider.

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Agreed!

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